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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#293201: Dec 15th 2021 at 12:37:15 PM

Ordeaux, probably use the Franchise/ namespace for the header, and add somewhere..."Licensed titles from Archie Comics (Mega Man; Sonic the Hedgehog; Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Adventures) can be found at their respective pages."

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#293202: Dec 15th 2021 at 12:39:02 PM

[tup]Satan & Dilton (I think Riverdale isn’t a show, but a collective fever dream everyone on Earth is having, you can’t convince me otherwise)

[tup]Ghost

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#293203: Dec 15th 2021 at 12:39:18 PM

Moved my post so it wasn't missed:

Maybe the purpose is to throw insanity out frivolously because they're now embracing it-I have NO idea.

Based on the EP, [tup] to Dilton.

Why does a CM do anything illogical? My standard answer: "I'm evil. Get it?"

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Dec 15th 2021 at 12:39:47 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#293204: Dec 15th 2021 at 12:39:45 PM

Sure.

[tup]Black Ghost

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#293205: Dec 15th 2021 at 12:43:47 PM

Ghost seems like a yes.

The Zemo quote for Cap's page...doesn't work. It's from an animated series (said Zemo DOES count there, but...).

I'm just gonna do "Baron Heinrich Zemo: Nazi Nobleman, Mad Scientist, extremely evil"

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#293206: Dec 15th 2021 at 12:45:33 PM

I had some free time and was browsing the site out of curiosity and saw Riverdale being discussed. Well never thought I would see it discussed. Yes to Satan, Dilton, and Black Ghost, while I am here. Also sure to a page, why not.

Edited by Bullman on Dec 15th 2021 at 2:46:21 PM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#293207: Dec 15th 2021 at 12:46:05 PM

Damn it, how do I keep making that mistake. Sorry I have nothing else.

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#293208: Dec 15th 2021 at 12:47:18 PM

[tup] to... Dilton Doiley. Pakc it up everyone, thread's done, we're never going to top this

How much agency does the ghost have? It seems like it might be the kind of "embodiment of pure hate" our rule still exclude

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#293209: Dec 15th 2021 at 12:47:45 PM

Archie Comics

I can't believe I am actually making this.

here is a potential quote from Vinnie Wells.

"I'm going to go back in time to make sure your parents never meet. I'll eliminate you from history completely! You'll never exist! A Riverdale without Archie Andrews! That'll be the sweetest revenge!"

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#293210: Dec 15th 2021 at 12:47:54 PM

Most of the Zemo quotes come from his son Helmut. Heinrech only lasted in the silver age comics and was killed their. Other than flashbacks he's a rare recurring marvel villain to permantly bite it

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#293211: Dec 15th 2021 at 12:49:16 PM

Which Sandboxes need to be swapped with the Archie page being created?

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#293212: Dec 15th 2021 at 12:50:04 PM

Comic books, TV and animation

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#293213: Dec 15th 2021 at 12:52:16 PM

You can check my edit history to see.

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#293214: Dec 15th 2021 at 12:53:24 PM

Also what do you guys think of my quote suggestion?

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#293215: Dec 15th 2021 at 12:56:07 PM

Quote works.

Possible header?

Archie Andrews and his friends began life in a family-friendly comic. However, since the end of the 20th century, the franchise has become Darker and Edgier, with plenty of vile villains.

I was gonna say the 2010s, but that cartoon was 1999-2000.

Edited by ACW on Dec 15th 2021 at 3:57:12 PM

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#293216: Dec 15th 2021 at 12:56:20 PM

Would the fact that we have a CM page for Archie Comics be a sign that we failed or suceeded as a human race?

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#293217: Dec 15th 2021 at 12:56:31 PM

@Ordeaux It's a good quote.

[up]I'd…say it's worse the X-Men Films never got one. Haha.

Sheesh. Been painstakingly avoiding No Way Home spoilers popping up in my YT feed. My friend and I aren't seeing it until Saturday.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Dec 15th 2021 at 12:58:29 PM

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Sung-Hwan Since: Apr, 2018
#293219: Dec 15th 2021 at 1:08:42 PM

@Libraryseraph

interesting about the thing and agency with forces of evil. The ghost, while possessing Fukie, makes a promise to murder the innocent nurse it feels is behind being stillborn. If that counts, I vividly remember the Ju-On/Grudge movies by comparison where Kayako while having the capacity to remember and seek out those that disturb her, doesn't single out anyone to murder by name like that.

Edited by Sung-Hwan on Dec 15th 2021 at 1:09:49 AM

Cring1 Since: Sep, 2021
#293220: Dec 15th 2021 at 1:09:10 PM

Boy oh boy, and I thought that cringe was the only monster in Riverdale.

Anyway, here's my draft for Gault (already in the Drafts page). Since we don't have pages for Cornwell's work, is this a good way to index it?

  • Kay Scarpetta series (Cruel and Unusual and From Potter's Field): Temple Brooks Gault proved to be a sociopath ever since childhood, tormenting his twin sister Jayne and killing her puppy over a perceived Parental Favoritism. Grown into a volatile Narcissist with no qualms about killing a man who has insulted his looks, he resolves to become a Serial Killer in a twisted search for fame. His victims, whose bodies he degrades in various ways, include a 13 years old boy, a pregnant woman and a prison guard who was offering him a hideout. After escaping capture, Gault announces his return by murdering Jayne, then murders three cops to further taunt Kay and her team. When the police corners him in the subway, he electrocutes Detective Meier to death and takes Lucy hostage before trying to kill Kay.

YobabyColin Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
#293221: Dec 15th 2021 at 1:09:18 PM

Yes to Dilton and the Black Ghost.

Edited by YobabyColin on Dec 15th 2021 at 4:11:43 AM

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#293222: Dec 15th 2021 at 1:11:00 PM

[tup] to Satan, Dilton and the Black Ghost.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#293223: Dec 15th 2021 at 1:12:43 PM

Well I didn’t think this would be my first Satan, I can tell you that much…

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#293224: Dec 15th 2021 at 1:14:35 PM

Should Archie Comics go to the "By Creator" section of Comic Books or since it's just the main franchise, just go to the "By Work" section.

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#293225: Dec 15th 2021 at 1:14:40 PM

You can PM me for Flash Armageddon. BTW

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

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