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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

RK93 Since: Aug, 2020
#293101: Dec 15th 2021 at 1:33:38 AM

[tup] to William Afton, the Shadow Queen and Princess Shroob.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
MinisterOfSinister From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye! from In the Hall of the Mountain King Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye!
#293104: Dec 15th 2021 at 2:23:29 AM

[tup] Princess Shroob. How many do the Mario Bros. have now? Enough for a page of their own?

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#293105: Dec 15th 2021 at 2:49:25 AM

Nah.

This only makes 4.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
RK93 Since: Aug, 2020
#293106: Dec 15th 2021 at 3:00:37 AM

Mario has only four CM's: Dimentio, King Boo, Shadow Queen and Princess Shroob.

The-Scarecrow Since: Jun, 2021 Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#293107: Dec 15th 2021 at 3:13:47 AM

[tup] to Shadow Queen and Shroob

Edited by The-Scarecrow on Dec 15th 2021 at 3:13:56 PM

magnumtropus Since: Aug, 2020
#293108: Dec 15th 2021 at 3:20:21 AM

As someone with the most barebones knowledge of Mario, it doesn't come across as a series conducive for a CM (those 4 notwithstanding - I'm surprised it even has that many) - I mostly think of Mario Kart and the main game

Edited by magnumtropus on Dec 15th 2021 at 3:23:46 PM

Misry6 Imperfect Disgrace from the Eternal Nothingness Since: Nov, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Imperfect Disgrace
#293109: Dec 15th 2021 at 3:54:02 AM

[tup] Shadow Queen and Shroob.

Just an empty void…
OldMcBrother He/They from Earth Since: Jul, 2021
Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
#293111: Dec 15th 2021 at 4:47:52 AM

surprised we've never had a CM Bowser yet

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#293112: Dec 15th 2021 at 5:01:50 AM

We have. There was a fan work or 2.

Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
#293113: Dec 15th 2021 at 5:15:04 AM

Oh I meant canon Bowser, sorry

YobabyColin Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#293115: Dec 15th 2021 at 6:16:33 AM

Yes to the Mario Duo.

Look, my personal take on C Ms By Troper and its subpages is that they serve a purpose of keeping track of discussion. If people want to keep track of who did both the EP and the writeup (assuming they were done by separate people), good for them. I wish more people cared about keeping track of discussion, but I am trying to make my peace with the fact that not everyone has the patience.

xie323 Since: Jul, 2009
#293116: Dec 15th 2021 at 6:35:51 AM

[tup] Shadow Queen

I guess I'll [tup] Shroob too, even through I concur with Polar that she may be an accidential CM and that even evil has loved ones was somewhat intended reaction by the developers

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#293117: Dec 15th 2021 at 6:44:00 AM

How's this for Chucky?

  • Child's Play franchise: Chucky himself was originally Charles Lee Ray, aka the notorious "Lakeshore Strangler". Killed by police, he used Hollywood Voodoo to transfer his soul into a Good Guy Doll and continues to kill on both the big screen and the small screen.
    • Film series: Chucky proceeds to murder his owner's babysitter because she annoys him, and hunts down, tortures and murders his old voodoo teacher to get information on how to become human again before trying to tear out his 10-year-old owner's soul and possess him. Throughout the films, Chucky commits many more murders for his own amusement and replaces blanks with real ammo at a military camp war games training solely to enjoy the chaos. Even when the films briefly turned comedic, Chucky remained heartless as ever, murdering his own wife when she tried to leave him, with no remorse. When Curse of Chucky brought the series back to horror, Chucky sends himself to unsuspecting families to destroy them and was revealed, as Charles Lee Ray, to have even stabbed a pregnant woman to cripple her unborn daughter after she rejected his advances. Despite his sense of humor, Chucky has always remained a sadistic, murderous monster and has only grown worse over time.
    • Chucky: As a boy, Charles Lee Ray killed his own mother to impress an active serial killer. Returning to Hackensack, Chucky falsely befriends Jake Wheeler and tries to corrupt him into murdering Lexi Cross, ultimately taking the matter into his own hands at the cost of inadvertently starting a house fire with several partygoers inside. Chucky murders Junior's mother and successfully perfects his Voodoo spell when he drove Junior to kill his father. He reveals his plan to massacre an audience at a charity event before distributing 72 possessed Good Guy Dolls nationwide with more bloodshed in mind, all to immortalize his depraved legacy as the worst serial killer in US history.

RK93 Since: Aug, 2020
Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#293119: Dec 15th 2021 at 7:13:58 AM

Yes to Shadow Queen and Shroob.

Edited by Overlord on Dec 15th 2021 at 7:14:27 AM

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#293121: Dec 15th 2021 at 7:47:41 AM


Edited by KazuyaProta on Dec 15th 2021 at 10:48:06 AM

Watch me destroying my country
MinisterOfSinister From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye! from In the Hall of the Mountain King Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye!
#293122: Dec 15th 2021 at 7:51:17 AM

Snowy 66 Bowser loves his kids. That's an automatic disqualification no matter how many princesses he kidnaps or how many times he tries to take over the Mushroom Kingdom/the universe.

Edited by MinisterOfSinister on Dec 15th 2021 at 3:51:31 PM

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#293123: Dec 15th 2021 at 8:01:04 AM

I'll give a [tup] to the Shadow Queen, but Princess Shroob gets a [tdown] from me due to no actual concrete proof she cares nothing for her older sister.

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Dec 15th 2021 at 8:01:18 AM

"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."
WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#293124: Dec 15th 2021 at 8:30:28 AM

[tup] Mario Duo

Was the Megabug ever considered or was it too much of a GDV to qualify.

Edited by WetFlannels on Dec 15th 2021 at 4:31:05 PM

What's wrong D-16? Rise up!
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#293125: Dec 15th 2021 at 8:37:56 AM

We shot it down since it's just a giant monster that doesn't even emote or speak.

What were trying to avoid here?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

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