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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#293076: Dec 14th 2021 at 7:25:57 PM

That’s the Japanese, though. We’re looking at this from an English localization perspective. And that line does not indicate any care within the English language.

[tup] Younger Princess Shroob. Speaking of, Villainous Princess is a trope now and there are quite a bit of candidates that can apply to, like Alesia and Hayes.

Edited by MasterN on Dec 14th 2021 at 7:26:10 AM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
Awesomekid42 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
#293078: Dec 14th 2021 at 7:45:53 PM

Hell yes to Younger Princess Shroob. Shadow Queen? Ehh...I guess I'll give a yes to her as well.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#293079: Dec 14th 2021 at 7:47:57 PM

And a solid yup for the Younger Princess Schroob.

[down] "Writeups" and the posters will do them later. Don't rush them.

Edited by 43110 on Dec 14th 2021 at 3:53:17 PM

OrrorSANESS Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#293080: Dec 14th 2021 at 7:51:22 PM

So... is anyone going to make a paragraph about the 2 being Complete Monster's?

Edited by OrrorSANESS on Dec 14th 2021 at 7:51:33 AM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#293081: Dec 14th 2021 at 7:53:47 PM

EDIT: NVM

[down] [1]

Edited by Scraggle on Dec 14th 2021 at 9:01:51 AM

OrrorSANESS Since: Jan, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#293083: Dec 14th 2021 at 8:00:47 PM

Should Gozer and Shandor each be franchise-wide on the Ghostbusters page?

Also, since I gave Polar the info about Afterlife, I asked him if we could share credit on Shandor counting. That alright?

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Dec 14th 2021 at 8:00:57 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#293084: Dec 14th 2021 at 8:19:34 PM

I really don't get the point to those sandboxes... I've given tons of info to tropers who then do an EP and credit goes to them... I've gotten info from people and credit goes to me. Divvy it how you'd like.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#293085: Dec 14th 2021 at 8:20:29 PM

My opinion on the sandboxes is likewise "you do you and I don't think you need the thread's greater opinion for it." It's not part of thread curation, it's your fun little side hobby.

DrScavenge27 Since: Jul, 2020
#293086: Dec 14th 2021 at 8:21:54 PM

[tup] to Slaughter, Mogul, Afton, Ivo, Shadow Queen and Princess Shroob.

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#293087: Dec 14th 2021 at 8:31:26 PM

And a yes to the Younger Princess Shroob, great work guys!

Also to help dispel the Ofscreen Villainy stuff with Shadow Queen, a decent chunk of the game is spent exploring the destroyed ruins of the parts of Rogueport she sunk in the past

Edited by papyru30 on Dec 14th 2021 at 9:32:51 AM

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#293088: Dec 14th 2021 at 8:32:41 PM

The video game is supposedly canon so maybe Shandor could I guess Gozer could as well. It is not like it will change that much, not totally sure about this idea though.

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#293089: Dec 14th 2021 at 8:34:35 PM

[up]They each count more for their respective mediums, so each can probably just stay in Film and Video Games respectively then.

Blazing_Larvesta Blazing Larvesta from Unova Route 18 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Blazing Larvesta
#293090: Dec 14th 2021 at 9:30:22 PM

[tup] to Shadow Queen, [tdown] to Princess Shroob.

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#293091: Dec 14th 2021 at 10:00:52 PM

[tup] Shadow Queen

Edited by KazuyaProta on Dec 14th 2021 at 1:03:29 PM

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DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#293092: Dec 14th 2021 at 10:31:15 PM

[tup] Severen, Ivo, Gault, Afton, Shadow Queen and Princess Shroob

Keep Nazo

[tdown] Hoffman and Zurgo

Cut Founder

Gonna wait for xie's proposals to vote on Alfred.

Sung-Hwan Since: Apr, 2018
#293093: Dec 14th 2021 at 10:36:53 PM

on that same topic: just curious if Grodus also from the same game as the Shadow Queen has ever been considered, or if he's too inoffensive per series standards in the face of that villain and ultimately ineffectual.

He's very evil though, regardless, in complete contrast to his bumbling henchman Crump or most of every other rogue in the game.

Edited by Sung-Hwan on Dec 14th 2021 at 10:39:59 AM

Blazing_Larvesta Blazing Larvesta from Unova Route 18 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Blazing Larvesta
#293094: Dec 14th 2021 at 10:38:27 PM

Doesn't Grodus have a Heel–Face Turn in the epilogue?

Sung-Hwan Since: Apr, 2018
#293095: Dec 14th 2021 at 10:42:13 PM

He gets reduced to a disembodied head in the epilogue, which means he couldn't threaten anyone if he even wanted to. However, by Super Paper Mario he's referenced as being a successful TV star now if that counts for a full-blown Heel–Face Turn in hindsight. But yeah, I think that might disqualify Grodus (since he's off the road of evil) so thanks for reminding me to check in on that.

Edited by Sung-Hwan on Dec 14th 2021 at 10:47:15 AM

DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#293096: Dec 14th 2021 at 11:23:19 PM

[tup] to the Shadow Queen and Princess Shroob.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#293097: Dec 14th 2021 at 11:30:44 PM

The video game is supposedly canon so maybe Shandor could I guess Gozer could as well. It is not like it will change that much, not totally sure about this idea though.

I don't know why this keeps coming up. Their is legitimately no way that these two can be in continuity with each other. Like its not even a few more continuity errors. Their complete different to a way that they can't be possible to fit together.

[tup]Princess Shroob.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#293098: Dec 14th 2021 at 11:46:31 PM

Yes to Princess Shroob and very enthusiastic yes to Shadow Queen. Love Thousand-Year Door! One of my favorite video games! Need to play Partners in Time as well.

Welcome to the world of greatest media!
Mediawatcher Since: Dec, 2015
#293099: Dec 14th 2021 at 11:54:45 PM

[tup] to Shadow Queen and Princess Shroob

And Mario gets two more monsters

Plus I’ll be claiming Mage & Demon Queen

Edited by Mediawatcher on Dec 15th 2021 at 12:05:24 PM

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#293100: Dec 15th 2021 at 1:05:24 AM

[tup] to the Shadow Queen and Princess Shroob.


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