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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Mediawatcher Since: Dec, 2015
#292602: Dec 12th 2021 at 12:15:02 AM

I just saw Brock mason was being proposed again and while dead rising is one of my favorite games, im gonna have to vote [tdown] on him, his actions are too offscreen and he gets outheinoussed by later antagonists in the series

[tup] to hobgoblin

Edited by Mediawatcher on Dec 12th 2021 at 12:16:29 PM

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Misry6 Imperfect Disgrace from the Eternal Nothingness Since: Nov, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Imperfect Disgrace
#292604: Dec 12th 2021 at 2:01:14 AM

[tup] Hobgoblin.

Just an empty void…
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#292605: Dec 12th 2021 at 2:22:05 AM

What's the current count on Fraser?

username2527 Since: Nov, 2013
#292606: Dec 12th 2021 at 4:55:01 AM

Does anyone know where the discussion to cut the dinner party host who brutally got his guests killed and tortured is? I think he was cut for honoring his deal with letting the protagonist go and keep her money after she won? But I can't find the discussion anywhere on the former CM page and I forgot his name or the film's name.

magnumtropus Since: Aug, 2020
#292607: Dec 12th 2021 at 4:58:33 AM

The Former Complete Monsters should at least have the name of the work/character

Edited by magnumtropus on Dec 12th 2021 at 5:09:01 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#292608: Dec 12th 2021 at 5:14:08 AM

Found the link

It wasn't just that. He genuinely got disgusted and apologetic after his son tries to rape the protagonist

Weirdly his trope page tries to weasel out of these being redeeming for some reason....

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
username2527 Since: Nov, 2013
#292609: Dec 12th 2021 at 5:35:27 AM

Oh thanks. It's not on the Former CM page for some reason.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#292611: Dec 12th 2021 at 8:01:24 AM

I'll get that. Just the Scream page itself and the Scripts page, right?

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#292613: Dec 12th 2021 at 8:06:16 AM

Got it.

Also:

  • League of Legends
  • Heroes:
    • Book II: Surtr, the King of Muspell, expresses a lust for carnage and domination. He begins by invading the Kingdom of Nifl, and caps off the conquest by burning Fjorm's mother alive before her eyes. To oppose the Order of Heroes, Surtr forms an alliance with the Embla Empire, but quickly reveals his intent to burn the young Princess Veronica alive slowly and painfully in the Rite of Flames. Surtr tries to force an early surrender from Prince Alfonse by forcing the Order to choose between their lives and an innocent Askran village. Later, when Fjorm's older sister Gunnthra enlists the help of the Summoner and the Order to cull Surtr's invulnerable Muspellflame, he finds Gunnthra and proceeds to incinerate her in front of Fjorm, mocking the girl all the while. Showing no regard to even his own people, Surtr kept the village of his top soldier Helbindi, including his younger sister Menja, under the threat of a fiery death should he fail, a fate which unfortunately comes to pass. His boundless cruelty even extends to his daughters, who are treated as expendable tools he expects to obey his will and take every punishment for failure. Eventually betraying Veronica and even kidnapping the youngest princess of Nifl, Ylgr, Surtr plans to have them sacrificed to sustain his immortality. A sadistic and heartless excuse of a tyrant, Surtr provides no reason for his senseless and disgusting evil other than it being the blood right of a king.
    • Book III: Hel, ruler of the homonymous realm of the dead, seeks to have whole populations forcibly join her ranks so that she can dominate the Nine Worlds. Her campaigns have brought desolation to many alternate lands directly or indirectly, including Lif and Thrasir's worlds, where she manipulated their despair over their failures to gain their assistance in her cause. In the present day, Hel and her entourage have targeted Askr and Embla, slowly but surely killing more individuals through murder or curses to add as undead soldiers unable to fight back against her thrall, including Gustav, Alfonse's father. Most horrifically, Hel murdered Eir's real parents, constantly tormented her to steal her many lives for empowerment, and expected complete obedience for a suicide mission. Cold and dispassionate, Hel was nothing more than a ruthless excuse for a goddess of death.
  • Revelation: Skeletor, having led numerous campaigns to overcome the power of Castle Grayskull and Eternia, opens the series in an assault that nearly leads to him annihilating the entire universe. After his seeming death, Skeletor returns after feeding off the life force of Evil-Lyn, using her as nothing more than a tool to seize control of Grayskull's power. Making himself a God and killing the Sorceress, Skeletor attempts to turn all of Eternia into his undead slaves after killing them, damning two of He-Man's allies to Subternia for spite. After Evil-Lyn steals his power, Skeletor turns on the heroes just so he can kill He-Man before existence ends.
  • He-Man and the Masters of the Universe (2021): Prince Keldor is one of the two Crown Princes of Eternia, and an heir to the Power of Grayskull. Fueled by a lust for power and hatred for his older brother King Randor, Keldor instigates a coup against Randor, before taking his young nephew Adam hostage to try and claim the Power, murdering its guardian after his body is damaged by the destructive power of Havoc. Ten years later, Keldor re-emerges to once more claim the Power of Grayskull, lethally draining people of their life force to subsist and threatening to poison Adam's own friends with Havoc, then fully embracing his evil by becoming the Havoc-tainted Skeletor. Skeletor then creates a Havoc storm that threatens to destroy Eternos. He then defeats the heroes at his lair and chains them down, forcing them to choose between being corrupted by his Havoc or drowning. As his final masterstroke, Skeletor reveals that he's able to control his minions through the powers he's gifted them, and uses a brainwashed general to conquer Eternia, all to spite his brother and claim the power he's always wanted.

  • Vernon Kolp Appearances  is the chief inspector for Governor Arnold Breck's regime, being both responsible for the death of Caesar's adoptive father Armando and having captured Caesar and subjected him to torture to make him talk, then trying to have him executed via electrocution. After the revolt led by Caesar, Kolp launches a mission where he has many apes murdered and breaks Breck out from captivity, and also gains access to the Alpha-Omega Bomb with the intent to end all life on Earth to end the Ape Revolution. During the battle with the apes, Kolp took the opportunity to shoot Bruce MacDonald In the Back, killing him. Returning as the leader of a band of mutants after a nuclear holocaust, Kolp tries to eradicate everyone residing in Ape City, humans and apes alike, killing a gorilla soldier along the way. Once this fails, he tries to use the Alpha-Omega Bomb to destroy the entire city as a last-ditch effort to kill everyone, despite its capabilities to destroy the entire world.
  • Conquest of the Planet of the Apes and Revolution on the Planet of the Apes: Governor Arnold Breck himself is the tyrannical leader of an unnamed city under totalitarian government of America, which he runs as a Police State. He has the apes put in rehabilitation facilities to be trained and sold into slavery, allowing the apes to be systematically abused, tormented, and brutally beaten for disobedience on a daily basis. Breck allows Arthur Kolp to torture Caesar via electrocution, and orders that Caesar to be executed by Kolp. When the apes lead by Caesar began their rebellion, Breck orders that all of the apes be killed on sight. Returning in Revolution, it's revealed that Breck was the brains behind the Alpha-Omega Bomb, a weapon he plan to use to destroy all life in the world if it means the eradication of the apes. Giving Caesar an ultimatum to either surrender or watch the world burn that ultimately fails, Breck attempts to activate the bomb as a last-ditch effort to destroy his enemies.
  • The Terror Beneath 4-part finale: Governor Breck comes Back from the Dead as a vengeful godlike spirit, seeking to wipe out all apes and those who aren't deemed human to his eyes, and either rule the human race as a god or destroy the world if he can't rule it. Disintegrating the very cult that brought him back because he doesn't see them as human, Breck goes on to kill off all of the Forgotten Apes and wreaks havoc across the land, scorching entire ape villages; wiping out Ollo and his entire army; and killing off several recurring characters. Breck forms an army of humans for him to lead and destroy Ape City to enslave or kill any apes they come across. When losing his battle with the Lawgiver, Breck in anger threatens to destroy the whole land out of spite.
  • Curtis Ackers is a member of Margaret Holloway's Order, one of the first and the most depraved of all members who helped abduct numerous victims into Silent Hill. In the Order to indulge his sadism, Curtis tortures and murders his victims, including children. Even after Margaret is defeated, Curtis makes an attempt to torture her daughter to death with a circular saw, musing how he knows what to do to "take care of her".
  • Tales of Legendia: Vaclav Bolud is the illegitimate third prince of the militaristic Crusand Empire, defined by his ruthless ambitions. Properly ineligible for succeeding the throne due to his lineage, Vaclav leads an independent military unit in the hopes of eventually discovering a means to violently overthrow the Crusand monarchy. Vaclav, discovering the continental Legacy at sea, deciphers the secrets behind the ship's Nerifes Cannon and kick-starts a global search for the fabled Merines to activate its dormant powers. When Vaclav's child protege Senel Coolidge finds the Merines and abandons him out of love for the Ferines people, Vaclav years later discovers Senel's location and launches a genocidal campaign against the Ferines. Although Vaclav fails to capture Senel and the Merines, he succeeds in killing or capturing most of the Ferines. Seeking an alternative to the runaway Merines, Vaclav began horrific human experiments to produce an artificial Merines, indiscriminately murdering hundreds. Though Vaclav is ultimately defeated, his actions cast a shadow over the story, with the surviving Ferines being consumed by hatred and the god Schwartz taking their despair as a yearning for the end of the world.
  • Sister Sumire Sugita poses as a kind, grandmotherly figure to the young nuns of St. Raffles Convent, but in reality, her true allegiance lies with The Evangelist as a member of the White Clad. A businesswoman who lived before the First Great Cataclysm, Sumire's misanthropy led her to follow The Evangelist's desire to cleanse the world. Since the failure, Sumire has experimented on various individuals to rediscover the Eight Pillars, of which she is one, most notably the convent's children. Subjecting them to lifelong agony as Infernals that caused the church to explode, Sumire emotionlessly reveals the truth to her former student, Hibana, before returning to the White Clad's side to finish what she started, even sacrificing her life to empower her god bent on a twisted version of salvation.
  • JoJo's Despair-Filled Adventure, by Zatroopa (Danganronpa & JoJo's Bizarre Adventure):
    • Judith "JUDE" Eydris is a Composite Character of Dio Brando and Junko Enoshima, and is no less wicked than either of them. Keeping almost all DIO's crimes, Jude takes even more sadistic delight in these and gets several new crimes on top of them, such as verbally and physically abusing her older sister Martha Cutler and ultimately killing her; stitching people's heads onto several animal and plant bodies and keeping them immortal against their will; killing and zombifying a dozen of children to create a Monokuma army; and attempting to take over Erina's body to taunt Jonathan with it. Returning 100 years later, JUDE sets up her children Giorno, Ungalo, Rikiel and Donatello to be raised in unhealthy or abusive households, slaughters countless people in Cairo and promises to kill everyone Jotaro and Joseph cares about, just because Jotaro had no interest in hope and despair.
    • Steel Ball Run universe: Judith "Mad Jude" Eydris is a Composite Character of Junko Enoshima and both the alternate and original versions of Diego "Dio" Brando, albeit bereft of the latter's sympathetic traits. Creating a gang called ELO, Mad Jude committed several crimes with them, including heists, thefts, and murders, with a personal body count of 95, before killing her own gang. Mad Jude then entered the Steel Ball Run as the amnesiac Rio with her boyfriend Yes Maxfield. Even as Rio, Mad Jude unhesitatingly leaves Johnny Joestar and Gyro Zeppeli to die against her sister Martha Cutler. Upon regaining her memories, Mad Jude kills Yes, attacks Martha and leaves her for dead, and upon being contacted by the dying Funny Valentine, agrees to secure the Holy Corpse solely so that she could doom the entire world to calamity and despair aside from America. During her fight against Johnny Joestar, Mad Jude keeps most of alternate Diego's crimes against him, such as leaving him to die in his own Infinite Rotation after defeating him. Despite appearing in only one chapter, Mad Jude proves to be no better than her Parts 1-6 counterpart.
  • Act of Vengeance: Jack is a sadistic Narcissist who starts the film having raped five women. Enjoying their pain, he forces them to thank him for the attack and sing "Jingle Bells" while he forces himself upon them. When his victims form a Vigilante Militia called the Rape Squad, Jack attacks their first client and strangles her to death while trying to make her sing before deciding to make the Squad into Sex Slaves. Leading them to an abandoned zoo, Jack hangs one of them and abducts another, threatening to kill her if the leader doesn't let him rape her again.
  • Jack Ryan films: In different universes, the famed CIA analyst has dealt with some harsh enemies:
    • Clear and Present Danger:
      • Colonel Félix Cortez is the duplicitous intelligence officer for Colombian drug lord Ernesto Escobedo. When Ernesto's actions cause the US to uncover a money laundering operation and send several FBI and CIA agents to Colombia, Félix organizes an ambush of the agents, leading to several deaths while Félix also murders the FBI secretary he seduced to get information. When Félix discovers that American soldiers are secretly sabotaging the cartels, he promises to kill Escobedo and take over the drug trade, reduce the flow of drugs into the US, and allow the Americans to regularly arrest his men in exchange for letting him kill the soldiers. This results in Félix's men slaughtering the soldiers and capturing two of them.
      • Robert "Bob" Ritter, CIA Deputy Director of Operations, is the partner of National Security Advisor Admiral James Cutter who helps him run Operation RECIPROCITY. Ritter recruits John Clark to lead a team of soldiers in sabotaging Colombian drug cartels, resulting in several raids on drug facilities. When one of the attacks results in several innocent women and children being killed, Ritter brushes off Cutter's moral objections and pushes him to continue the operation. Ritter smugly informs hero Jack Ryan that due to Ritter's manipulations, Jack will receive all of the blame for RECIPROCITY if it's exposed while he and Cutter get presidential pardons. Later, Ritter and Cutter agree to sell out the soldiers in Colombia to Félix Cortez, leading to most of them being killed. When a livid Clark demands to know what happened to the soldiers, Ritter and Cutter try to trick him into murdering Ryan.
    • The Sum of All Fears (Continuity Reboot): Richard Dressler is a Neo-Nazi billionaire who wants to create a fascist superstate in Europe. His ruminations on history have led him to the conclusion that Adolf Hitler was a fool for trying to fight Russia and America—it's much better to have them fight and destroy each other. Dressler obtains a nuclear weapon and places it in a football stadium during the Super Bowl, killing countless innocent people. He blames the attack on Russia so the Americans will bring their military to bear, and when Russia stands its ground, the two countries are ready to engage in all-out nuclear war on one another thanks to Dressler's framing and stroking of tensions.
  • Pishtaco (2003): The Pishtaco is a mysterious silent murderer who mutilates the bodies of his victims to extract their organs and fat to sell. Introduced murdering a man returning home, the Pishtaco reveals the true extent of his brutality when a little girl discovers his lair, where the Pishtaco hangs the bodies of his victims like animals. Discovering the little girl, the Pishtaco proceeds to murder her as well. When the Ronderos in charge of searching the Pishtaco lose their leader, the Pishtaco beheads one of them and leaves his head in middle of the street to shock his friend and murder him, throwing his corpse in the wilderness. Completely victorious at the end, the Pishtaco continues to murder people in the Ayacucho region.
  • Stone Cold: Chains Cooper is the leader of a ruthless white supremacist biker gang called the Brotherhood, who live under one creed: "God forgives, the Brotherhood doesn't." Chains sends his men on joyride killing sprees and enacts a plan to assassinate district attorney Brent Whipperton for trying to stop his wanton violence. Along the way, Chains gleefully murders two guardsmen who stop him and his men on the road, sends their bodies to Whipperton, and when one of his minions speaks out, Chains forces his hand through a running motorcycle wheel. Chains kills the man who gives the hero Joe Huff's location to him, then murders his own girlfriend Nancy simply to spite Joe. In the climax, Chains assassinates Whipperton, several other judges, and threatens to massacre a courtroom full of innocent people should he not be allowed free rein for further atrocity.
  • "Exchange": Richard Matthews poses as a benevolent foster father when in reality he’s a serial predator. Taking in teenage girls, Matthews would rape them while forcing his wife to watch, recording the act for his own purposes; he would also pimp them out to other men and record those sessions as well. Setting his eyes on the Barassi twins, Matthews gaslit them into believing their father raped them before taking them himself, raping them for years under the guise of love. When confronted with his crimes, Matthews insists that what he did to his victims was "beautiful", choosing to commit suicide rather than face justice for his crimes.
  • L.A. Takedown: Waingro is a psychopathic member of McClaren's team who turns a robbery into a bloodbath by slaughtering the guards. Escaping his own team's vengeance, Waingro sells out their heist to result in massive casualties in a shootout. Waingro is also a vicious Serial Killer in his spare time, murdering young women and prostitutes for nothing more than thrills, before closing the film killing McClaren and bragging about self-defense.
  • The North Water: Henry Drax is a brutally sadistic, brutish psychopath who acts on impulse and desires and doesn't believe in concepts of good and evil. Introduced murdering and robbing another man for refusing to buy him another drink, Drax joins the ill-fated whaling crew as a chance to slaughter prey and human alike while plotting to rob and murder the ship's doctor Sumner for valuables. A self-centered opportunist, Drax refuses to help Sumner from being left behind in one of their hunting trips and brutally sodomizes and murders the cabin boy before trying to pin the blame on another shipmate. When caught, Drax tries to resist capture and beats the captain's ship to an agonizing state of brain death. Likely facing execution, Drax manipulates another shipmate into sinking the stranded ship, dooming many of them to die in freezing conditions. He then murders Inuits for their gear and supplies, leaving the rest of them without any aid, and murders his co-conspirator as well after promising him to come along. Secretly working with company head Baxter to sink the ship for an insurance scam, Drax tries to murder Sumner for finding out about the truth and mocks him for the cabin boy's death. When put down, Drax dies with a smile on his face, knowing Sumner became a monster like him.
  • Captain America Comics Vol. 1 issue #5's "The Terror That Was Devil's Island": Pepo Laroc is an obese Frenchman who sold out his home country to the Nazis. Taking control over Devil's Island to torture the prisoners in his special torture chamber, Laroc has Steve and Bucky's friend Tom imprisoned, starving and abusing him for over a year. Upon getting caught by the heroes, Laroc has Steve sent to his pet sharks while he attempts to kill the young Bucky himself.
  • Nora's Life: General Hayden White is the abusive general of the kingdom of Atlas. White shows how vile he is when he refuses to evacuate villages from a Grimm, all for the sake of his ego. White is also a Serial Rapist who regularly rapes the women in the villages he was supposed to protect and kills them afterwards. White attempted to do the same to Nora's mother and force Nora to watch out of pure sadism. When they escape, White allows Nora's village to be destroyed to cover up his crimes and murders any of his men that get in his way. When confronted by Nora, he admits that he doesn't even remember what happened.
  • Jarol-Tilap's trilogy (Resident Evil; Nemesis; Lost in Nightmares):
    • Lord Oswell E. Spencer is the elderly founder and Chairman of Umbrella. Desiring godhood by way of exterminating mankind so that he can repopulate the world with his selective children, Spencer formed Umbrella to sell bioweapons to countries, while also experimenting on thousands, even allowing his men to massacre several African villages for their resources. With an outbreak originating from his lab in the Arkalay mansion, Spencer assigns his lackey Albert Wesker and company to destroy the entire mansion, and kill the STARS squad to prevent word from breaking out. With Chris Redfield and Jill Valentine surviving the ordeal, Spencer allows William Birkin to send Nemesis out to kill the members of STARS and even his own mercenaries during a city-wide outbreak so that his corruption won’t reach the news, even allowing Raccoon City to be nuked in an attempt to wipe out the survivors.
    • Resident Evil & Lost In Nightmares: Albert Wesker is a sinister bioweapon from Umbrella, and something far worse than even they could have imagined. A captain of STARS tasked by Spencer to wipe out the Arkalay mansion to prevent word of his experiments from reaching the public, Wesker used the opportunity to kill off his squad. Having a lecherous obsession with Jill, Wesker, upon kidnapping her, tries to have her raped and impregnated by a chimera after she refused his sexual favors. Seemingly killed, Wesker managed to fully recover and discover the Uroboros strain. With Uroboros, Wesker hopes to wipe out 90% of the world's population so that he can rule over a new world comprised of those he deems worthy. Luring Chris and Jill to Spencer's lair, Wesker kills off half of Chris's squad and Spencer himself for believing he has the right to be a god. Taking Jill for himself, Wesker has her brainwashed into becoming his slave, and uses her to infest a majority of Africa with the Las Plagas virus as a distraction to steal their resources. Despite his claims of helping mankind, at his core, Wesker is nothing but a disgusting Social Darwinist with a raging god complex, willing to throw his underlings under the bus for his own benefits.
  • Heavy Rain:
    • "The Doc" (Chapter 34): Dr. Adrian Baker, aka Doctor Death, at first seems to be a harmless old man despite being a drug dealer and associate of crime boss Paco Mendez, but is in fact a sadistic torturer. A former surgeon who enjoys operations, Baker grows bored with retirement and becomes a Serial Killer who habitually kidnaps, tortures, and dissects his victims to death with power tools, both for amusement and minor slights; his victims range from a man he suspected to be a government spy to an attempt on a Bible solicitor. Baker enjoys keeping his victims conscious as he kills them, and implies that he's a necrophile as well when he takes an attraction to heroine Madison Page and attempts to molest her if he thinks she's dead.
    • The Taxidermist" (prequel DLC): Leland White is the depraved titular Serial Killer, whom Madison investigates under suspicion of him being the Origami Killer, only to discover that he's somehow much more wicked. He appears to be a quiet and lonely man, but when Madison breaks into his house, it's discovered he murdered about a dozen women, whom he stuffs to preserve their bodies all around his house to keep as "dolls". The player can witness Leland talking to these corpses about new "friends" he has in mind to bring home. If alerted to Madison's presence, Leland will take a sadistic and childish joy in hunting her down, and gloating about adding her to his collection.
  • Horizon Zero Dawn: The Lucent Bahavas, the great priest of the Shadow Carja and Eclipse, is the partner of Helis who gave sanction to Sun King Jiran's monstrous Red Raids and sanctions Human Sacrifice along with Helis. After fleeing with the Shadow Carja, Bahavas uses the young prince Itamen as a puppet, "purging" the weak with poison, including the old, infirm, and the young, to start a war with the Carja under King Ahad. When an officer named Uthid learned the truth, Bahavas had his men killed and attempts to have Uthid hunted down and "silenced" forever.
  • Baron Praxis is the despotic ruler of Haven City, which he conquered by waging war to overthrow the good-hearted King Damas. Leading his people to poverty and suffering, Praxis's rule is so barbaric that even his own daughter attempts to betray him, which leads to him threatening to have her killed. Kidnapping civilians as part of his "Dark Warrior Program", Praxis has them infected with Dark Eco, creating mentally unstable Super Soldiers for his army. Ostensibly enacting his cruel ruling policies to keep his Haven City able to combat the Metal Heads, Praxis is actually supplying his "enemy" with Dark Eco to keep the war going and himself in power.
  • XBlaze duology: The twisted SS-class criminal only known by the moniker Ripper is a sadistic Serial Killer who, by his own admission, stirs chaos solely to alleviate his boredom. Infamous for dozens of grisly murders in the past, Ripper was eventually apprehended for his carelessness but awakened to his Drive during transport. Massacring all but one of his captors, Ripper fled the scene and attempted to take shelter from his pursuer, consequently orphaning and traumatizing Yuki Himezuru after murdering her parents. Continuing his killings for over a decade, Ripper develops a personal interest in Touya Kagari's latent Grimoire powers and attempts to break him into unleashing his potential so he can have a good fight; this includes torturing his friend Hinata and cruelly relaying the story of what he did to his guardian, Yuki. Although Ripper is slain when he pushes Touya too far, death was not the end for him. Returning in Lost: Memories under the new designation Freaks, a moniker he proudly embraces, Ripper was accidentally resurrected when the Magic Guild researched his Seithr-laden corpse and split his consciousness between himself and an amnesiac, Kiri. Subtly manipulating Kiri to regain full control of his body, Freaks is driven by nothing but his suppressed bloodlust and all-consuming desire for revenge against Touya and his friends.
  • No Trespassing (link): The neighborhood gardener is revealed to be the one responsible for a string of disappearances in the protagonist's house. A smug sadist who plays up his advanced age to throw off suspicion, the gardener has murdered every one of the home's previous occupants over the span of four decades and hidden their bodies behind the walls. He is fully aware that the ghosts of his victims still haunt the house and try to warn the new occupants against suffering the same fate, as he snarks about his "shadow friends" keeping him company as he works on resealing the walls after stashing bodies inside of them. Though the protagonist is kind to him, offering assistance after the gardener falls victim to a teenager's prank, the old man only sees another victim, and quips about the possibility of seeing a new ghost as he adds another corpse to his collection.
  • Hammer Terhune is the psychopathic minion to Governor Scharnhorst. Trying to discredit Jack Tenrec's idea of promoting a balance between humans and nature, Hammer uses a sonic transmitter to torment a T-Rex and has it attack nearby settlements, then tries to cause a bunch of Triceratops to stampede and kill people in a mining town. Unhappy with taking orders, Hammer uses a killer satellite to try and destroy the City in the Sea, so that he can take over what's left. Hammer later discovers a boy who can control dinosaurs and tries to test the boy's skills by throwing him into a pit with a hungry raptor and seeing if he can control it. Finally, Hammer uses some dynamite to try to kill some dinosaurs, but causes a wildfire instead, which is heading towards some gas wells, which would eventually cause an explosion that would devastate the jungle, resulting in mass starvation for the City in the Sea. Scharnhorst orders Hammer to work with Tenrec to use nitroglycerine to save the jungle, but Hammer intends to kill Tenrec anyway and steal the nitroglycerin for himself, not caring that his actions could have endangered millions of lives.

TellAll111 Since: Jun, 2010
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#292615: Dec 12th 2021 at 10:48:04 AM

Hey on Roswell Conspiracies shouldn't Wraith be first as he is the Big Bad of the show? and Hanek be second since he appeared before.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Dec 12th 2021 at 1:24:59 AM

PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#292616: Dec 12th 2021 at 10:53:35 AM

[tup]Hobgoblin - OK this time you got me Lighty, I was thinking Electro lol.

Enigmatic_Mastermind from Limbo Since: Sep, 2018
#292617: Dec 12th 2021 at 10:54:08 AM

[tdown]Hobgoblin. I dont know… I dont think he is heinous enough out since he shares the blame about burning down NYC with Green Goblin in addition to appearing in the same arc as Spider-Carnage, who tried to end the entire universe.

Anyway. I have a hypothetical question about heinousness: Lets say there is a work that has a Big Bad Ensemble of say five villains each of which could be despicable enough to qualify as a cM. But in a scenario where that happens, does that mean that the bar for that particular work needs to be raised even higher in terms of heinous standard?

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Son of Liberty
#292618: Dec 12th 2021 at 10:58:24 AM

Yes to Sidewinder and Hobgoblin!

Next up from me, with bigly thanks to Lighty for tossing this one my way, from the Splatter Western series, Book 11, aka Human-Shaped Fiends, we have...David Brown.

Who is Brown? What has he done?

David Brown is introduced as a swaggering, smug thug hired by the mayor of Los Angeles to handle some nasty supernatural happenings as of late, attributed to local Indian tribes. Brown? Is a racist, renowned Indian hunter, wearing a necklace made of dozens of ears of Indians he has viciously killed out of pure xenophobic sadism—when once confronted on the rumors that a big chunk of his victims over the years were innocents who he scalped and killed to pretend like he was a skilled Apache hunter, Brown just snarks that everyone is "born bad" to deflect.

Now, Brown's...lovely Establishing Character Moment? Waltzing into a brothel, demanding to see the whole "stock", shoving aside any women with the least amount of racial features that aren't purely white, and singling out a woman named Catherine, who he promises to pay top dollar...then, simply because local Sheriff Barton has a liking to Catherine and specifically requested Brown not choose her? Brown proceeds to violently beat, torture and rape Catherine—both by himself and with the assistance of his knife—before giving her the money he promised by bashing her in the head with the bag and leaving her half-dead on the floor, something all but stated to be regular treatment for Brown.

"My, how she wept when I fucked her. Bled like a fuckin' pig. That's the thing—no matter how pretty they is, they all bleed the same."

Later going on a hunt for Indians under the barest of pretenses, threatening his own allies along the way just for mild questioning of him, Brown winds up confronted by a genuinely helpful Indian, who tries to hand over one of the men actually responsible for Los Angeles's recent troubles...Brown shoots the Indian dead for fun anyway before heading back to Los Angeles and taking advantage of a riot to kick things up even worse, gunning down the mayor himself while cackling and encouraging his boys to kill and rape all in their path.

Confronting Barton himself, Brown tries to slowly strangle him to death while mocking him about Catherine's rape and torment...

"You done loved her, didn’t ye? That’s the problem with love, pretty boy. It makes a man weak. Violence is all there is. It’s sex, money, power. Give yourself to violence and ye don’t need nothin’ else. That’s where you and me differ. Men like you always got somethin’ to prove—to themselves, to their women, to their God. I don’t got nothin’ to prove (by killing you). Not to no one. I just plain don’t like ye."

...only for one of Brown's own semi-allies to gun him down, disgusted by the man's cruelty and depravity.

Mitigating features?

What do you think? No, not a one. Brown's a disgusting beast, not even the main threat of the story, but a slimy bastard who's the only wholly irredeemable, monstrous piece of work in the story.

Heinousness?

Again, there are bigger threats in the novel of the supernatural kind, but Brown himself is...a vile rapist, serial killer of Indians and others out of racism and sadism, and he ends up just cutting loose and killing his own employer to run rampant in the streets of L.A. for lulz. Low level scumbag, but a nasty one, nonetheless.

Final Verdict?

Eeeeeyep!

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#292619: Dec 12th 2021 at 11:03:40 AM

Yes to Brown.

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Goku Black
#292620: Dec 12th 2021 at 11:06:30 AM

[tup]Brown

I kinda want to do a weird West example with what's being proposed myself.

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#292625: Dec 12th 2021 at 11:46:35 AM

[tup] to Brown.

Well it appears Fraser just missed the mark. I was planning to also EP Daniels from the same movie given that he planned to arrange the crew to get arrest by the Russians, goaded Frasher into killing the engineer, and locking the hatchet drowning two people, but he mentions having two children and is seen looking at a photo of them. Would that be considered too militating?

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