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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

CaptainPinkiePie from Equestria with love Since: Mar, 2019 Relationship Status: Brony
#292026: Dec 7th 2021 at 11:25:12 AM

[tup] Skeletor (both of them), Magnussem, and Bahavas

Captain Pinkie Pie! Nah, just Pinkie Pie.
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#292027: Dec 7th 2021 at 11:29:06 AM

Bahavas fatally stabs Bahavas

He's so evil he stabs himself????? Yes!

Yes to Charles, too, and the Skeletor twins.

Edited by Scraggle on Dec 7th 2021 at 12:29:45 PM

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#292028: Dec 7th 2021 at 11:41:23 AM

[tup] Bahavas. As much as a Hate Sink that Ted Faro is, I think he has some remorse for his actions. And as much as I want Helis to count, there's the fact that he had a deceased wife that he legitimately….. Though his audio messages about her can be a little….. Disturbing.

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#292030: Dec 7th 2021 at 11:47:34 AM

Here's the Ryan Tree

  • Jack Ryan films: In different universes, the famed CIA analyst has dealt with some harsh enemies:
    • Clear and Present Danger:
      • Colonel Felix Cortez is the duplicitous Intelligence Officer for Colombian drug lord Ernesto Escobedo. When Ernesto’s actions cause the US to uncover a money laundering operation and send several FBI and CIA agents to Colombia, Felix organizes an ambush of the agents, leading to several deaths while Felix also murders the FBI secretary he seduced to get information. When Felix discovers that American soldiers are secretly sabotaging the cartels, he promises to kill Escobedo and take over the drug trade, reduce the flow of drugs into the US, and allow the Americans to regularly arrest his men in exchange for letting him kill the soldiers. This results in Felix’s men slaughtering the soldiers and capturing two of them.
      • CIA Deputy Director of Operations Robert “Bob” Ritter is the partner of National Security Advisor Admiral James Cutter who helps him run Operation RECIPROCITY. Recruiting John Clark to lead a team of soldiers in sabotaging Colombian drug cartels, resulting in several raids on drug facilities. When one of the attacks results in several innocent women and children being killed, Ritter brushes off Cutter’s moral objections and pushes him to continue the operation. Ritter smugly informs Dr. Jack Ryan that due to Ritter’s manipulations, Jack will receive all of the blame for RECIPROCITY if it’s exposed while he and Cutter get presidential pardons. Later, Ritter and Cutter agree to sell out the soldiers in Colombia to Felix Cortez, leading to most of them being killed. When a livid Clark demands to know what happened to the soldiers, Ritter and Cutter try to trick him into murdering Ryan.
    • The Sum of All Fears (Continuity Reboot): Neo-Nazi billionaire Richard Dressler wants to create a fascist superstate in Europe. His ruminations on history have led him to the conclusion that Adolf Hitler was a fool for trying to fight Russia and America—it's much better to have them fight and destroy each other. Dressler obtains a nuclear weapon and places it in a football stadium during the Super Bowl, killing countless innocent people. He blames the attack on Russia so the Americans will bring their military to bear and when Russia stands its ground, the two countries are ready to engage in all-out nuclear war on one another thanks to Dressler's framing and stroking of tensions.

DrScavenge27 Since: Jul, 2020
#292031: Dec 7th 2021 at 11:48:53 AM

[tup] to Waingro, Jude, Magnussen and Bahavas.

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#292032: Dec 7th 2021 at 12:01:20 PM

[tup] to both Skeletors, Magnussen and Bahavas.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#292033: Dec 7th 2021 at 12:16:23 PM

Yes to Bahavas.

Incidentally, I'm probably done with effortposting CMs for 2021, though I MAY have 1 or 2 left. Not a bad year: Only 4 (2 of which were shared), but I got a keeper from: Marvel Cinematic Universe (Malekith); Mortal Kombat (Shinnok); Superman (Xviar); and Star Wars (Grand Moff Tarkin) grin

Edited by ACW on Dec 7th 2021 at 3:32:21 PM

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#292034: Dec 7th 2021 at 12:38:36 PM

[tup] to both Skeletors, Magnussen and Bahavas.

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#292035: Dec 7th 2021 at 12:44:39 PM

Yes to Bahavas.

But while Ted doesn't count he's still the worst. Goddamnit Ted!

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#292036: Dec 7th 2021 at 12:47:07 PM

Yes to Baha.

W: Are you doing City Warriors next?

[down][down] I'm handing it to you on a silver platter. I have enough on my plate.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Dec 7th 2021 at 3:52:16 PM

DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#292037: Dec 7th 2021 at 12:47:08 PM

[tup] to the Tahm Kench rewrite, Judith "Mad Jude" Eydris/Rio, Waingro, Skeletor, Keldor/Skeletor, Charles Augustus Magnussen, and the Lucent Bahavas.

[tdown] to both Skeletor images (neither looks heinous enough).

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#292038: Dec 7th 2021 at 12:50:22 PM

[up][up] Maybe, if I ever feel like it [lol]

You can take it if you want.

namra Since: Sep, 2021
#292039: Dec 7th 2021 at 12:58:47 PM

sorry if i'm repeating this, but has there been a proposal for dream from the dream smp yet? i'm planning to propose him soon once i get enough edits.

Edited by namra on Dec 7th 2021 at 12:59:21 PM

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#292040: Dec 7th 2021 at 1:01:47 PM

Yes to both Skeletors and Charles Augustus Magnussen

I assume Tri-Klops is deemed not unique enough?

ASghhrv6ub Best Smile from Second star to the right. Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Best Smile
#292041: Dec 7th 2021 at 1:09:48 PM

[tup]Urgot, Mad Jude, Waingro, Skeletor, Keldor, Charles, Bahavas.

@namra: First you should link it like Dream SMP. Second you don't need any nmber of editions to propose a character, just be sure to read the eforpost template and Complete Monster beforehand, third I think RK53 has reserved the work/character but am not sure, you can confirm here and here, if they had you still can ask them to do a collaboration.

Edited by ASghhrv6ub on Dec 7th 2021 at 4:10:35 AM

I am the one, I am the one, the godlike terror train, superior artificial brain, feel free to call me Blaine
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#292042: Dec 7th 2021 at 1:10:32 PM

Namra: As long as you know how to make an effortpost (see the thread header) you should have no problem making a proposal.

Last time Dream SMP was discussed, Schlatt was cut.

Edit: [nja]

Also, forgot it was reserved.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Dec 7th 2021 at 4:11:18 AM

YobabyColin Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
namra Since: Sep, 2021
#292044: Dec 7th 2021 at 1:23:22 PM

[up][up]oh okay. i'm surprised no one has brought Dream to the discussion. he's arguably even more of a complete monster than Schlatt is.

Edited by namra on Dec 7th 2021 at 1:29:00 AM

namra Since: Sep, 2021
#292045: Dec 7th 2021 at 1:30:34 PM

the reason i'm not making a proposal yet is because i'm not very good at making these proposals.

Edited by namra on Dec 7th 2021 at 4:57:37 AM

Hardcorebatmanfan Since: Mar, 2021 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#292047: Dec 7th 2021 at 1:39:51 PM

My opinion on Triclops is that he's bad, but he only appears at the end of Part 2 and is seemingly a pawn of Hordak, meaning that Hordak can likely take credit for his crimes. If he were an independent agent, then maybe but for now let's hold off on him.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#292048: Dec 7th 2021 at 2:11:51 PM

[tup] to Urgot the Dreadnought, Waingro, Skeletor, Skeletor, Charles Augustus Magnussen and Bahavas.

Ordeaux: Bonaparte was one of my early one's. If the feeling is its to long, I could see if I could trim it down when I post my write up, I did already plan to rewrite another old write up after all.

Sung-Hwan Since: Apr, 2018
#292049: Dec 7th 2021 at 2:24:52 PM

The Tales Series and its monster page have been forever lacking an image. Depicted is Kvar of Tales of Symphonia for opinions. It is pretty difficult to find a header for this series if anyone else wants to chime in if what's presented is voted out

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/wo4zssk.jpg

Edited by Sung-Hwan on Dec 7th 2021 at 2:29:22 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#292050: Dec 7th 2021 at 2:29:22 PM

It's okay.

Better than nothing.

From the anime adaptation ?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

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