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What are the rules for a canceled work with a potential character whose arc was unfinished?

ritter

Ritter

We do have Tesler, so I'd say it would still be valid.

Edited by nwotyzal on Dec 5th 2021 at 3:58:47 AM

Leblanc and Ritter

Keep Paul

Any votes on my Doctor trim?

Just go by what we get on them till cancellation.

Good!

Edited by 43110 on Dec 5th 2021 at 12:01:13 PM

Yes to the Trim

to Thi-Karje, the first Cinder Fall image, Doman, Marlon Hopgood, Robert, Chesterfield, Jerry Manning/the Beast, the Doctor rewrite, the Heinrich Himmler rewrite, the RWBY header, LeBlanc, and Robert “Bob” Ritter. Keep Paul Parrot.

to Jean Vilain

Yes to Ritter.

@Silverblade: I'll take the new TCM if no one else has.

Edited by Beast on Dec 5th 2021 at 4:27:48 AM

So it's been a few pages since he was brought up but something has been bugging me about the Episode of Skypeia iteration of Enel counting. The main reason given for why he diverges from canon is that he seemingly falls to his death instead of flying to the moon. Well, in both the anime and manga the exact same thing happens.

Enel is shown falling unconscious beneath the clouds to his apparent death only to later be shown on his ship headed to the moon. Episode of Skypeia doesn't show him on his ship but it doesn't really draw much attention to his fall either. Unless someone is looking for it, it's incredibly easy to miss that he falls in the first place in the special. All you really see is a dot falling after the bell he was slammed into and the scene actually showing him and the Ark falling and people reacting to it was cut. Since there is no emphasis on him falling I don't really think it's a case of Death by Adaptation but simply them cutting a scene that was not necessary for a new watcher to get the gist of the arc.I personally don't care whether that version of Enel keeps or not but I just thought that argument didn't hold up.

to Leblanc and Ritter.

Edited by TommyFresh on Dec 5th 2021 at 4:31:11 AM

Going to be honest we cut a film version of Crocodile for the same reason, I'd vouch for a cut there.

Now that does change things for me Tommy. Thanks for catching that, I recall it was stated he died in no uncertain terms in the EP and the poster emphatically stated it when it was later questioned but now this is feeling much more like a compressed adaptation… aka the exact reason we cut Crocodile.

Edit:

All that being said though, I’d like more on his relationship with the moon robots. I’d be inclined to add the original if there isn’t anything genuine there but first I’d like that verified since Oda frequently does have long lasting villains learn to care about their crew or crew equivalent as a part of character development.

Edited by 43110 on Dec 5th 2021 at 12:32:16 PM

Cut Enel.

Cut Enel.

Cut Enel if it's that straight an adaptation.

Though I don't mind us rechecking his original counterpart.

I'll ask one last time: Is Our Demons Are Different okay for Eclipso?

Something totally unrelated to the current discussion, but Kishi Nobusuke from The New Order Last Days Of Europe is no longer on the wait and see for EP list as of Toolbox Theory update. This is because the new writing team had a different perception of Kishi vs. the older writing team and felt that while Kishi is indeed a extremely vile figure, he wasn't as insane of a maniac willing to kill his own population as the original writing team portrayed him as. Its' likely that he'd be a colossal Hate Sink if he ever gets content, but would not hit the qualifications for CM in the TNO universe

His role in the story has been replaced by Mutō Akira, whos' a massive piece of work and arguably a runner-up for the title of Greater-Scope Villain for the Chinese theater of World War 2 IRL and in TNO as well as a major war criminal in the pacific theater as he played a role in starting the war with China, perpetuating the Nanjing massacre. I'd say he's very likely to qualify for the trope when Japan gets 1970s-1980s content so he's worth keeping an eye on.

Edited by xie323 on Dec 5th 2021 at 4:53:42 AM

Unfortunately yeah seems Cut Enel.

Okay cut Entel

Chop Enel.

Next League of Legends champion! He was brought up veeeery briefly in the past where back then we decided he didn't have the requisite agency for this trope...lemme disprove that.

What has Thresh, the Chain Warden, done?

The sadistic, cunning wraith known as Thresh was once simply known as Brother Grael, the custodian of arcane secrets and artifacts too dangerous and unpredictable for the rest of Runeterra to find out about. Living in the Blessed Isles—the former state of the hellish realm of islands now known as the Shadow Isles—Thresh began Slowly Slipping Into Evil as a result of his years of solitude within the crypts he kept, his resentment for the others in his order, and a preexisting spark of cruelty which would have its chacne to rage when Viego, the Ruined King, came to the Blessed Isles.

Thresh saw the subsequent carnage that Viego plunged the Isles into as beautiful opportunity. Thresh deliberately manipulated Viego into massacring the entirety of Thresh's old monastic order, then convinced Viego to use the Waters of Life to bring back Viego's deceased beloved Isolde. The result of that was the Ruination, a horrific magical event that engulfed the Blessed Isles in shadow, transforming every single living entity on that island into a tortured, undead wraith. While everybody else on the island screamed for reprieve, Thresh laughed, embracing his new form and the unholy powers that came with it.

Now an utterly sadistic wraith who was still trapped in the Shadow Isles, Thresh began reaping the souls of countless, countless innocents. Every soul Thresh claims is kept within his lantern and plunged into a pure state of And I Must Scream, tortured eternally by Thresh while he always taunts them with the freedom perpetually out of their reach. Thresh tailors his torture by the individual; the video game Ruined King shows that he holds dozens of souls as playthings within his fortress, subjected to constant Mind Rape, some tortured for so long that they genuinely believe they belong to Thresh and that they deserve it. One exemplary example is a scholar named Omulan who Thresh has kept trapped for years in a replica of his monastery, solely so Thresh could torture Omulan with all the people he failed to save and all the memories of his old life.

Among Thresh's many victims was Senna, the wife of fellow Champion Lucian, a fact that Thresh never got tired of taunting Lucian about through their constant encounters until Lucian finally managed to shatter Thresh's hold on Senna. Thresh's ultimate goal is to create a second Ruination across all of Runeterra. The Ruined King saga (particularly the aforementioned Ruined King video game). Working in conjunction with Gangplank, Thresh resurrected Viego, then manipulated Viego into turning his wrath upon all Runeterra, hoping to destroy all life on the planet, and then enslave their souls into perpetual torment.

Thresh's attempt at a second Ruination is foiled, but with Viego's defeat comes Thresh's liberation from the Shadow Isles and the return of his physical body. Thresh now sets about on the rest of Runeterra, killing anyone he comes across, massacring inns full of people to enslave their souls and perpetually watching Senna/Lucian for when they will next fight again...

Any mitigating factors?

Old lore was extremely murky on whether or not Thresh was evil out of his own cognizance or if he was driven insane by the artifacts he defended. The more lore we get on Thresh, the more it becomes apparent Thresh was always evil. He just never acted on his potential. His biography makes it incredibly clear Thresh has always had a lack of empathy and a knack for cruelty that revolted his fellow mages ("Over the decades and centuries that followed, his supernatural appearance slowly changed to match the malice and cruelty that had always festered in his heart") and his journal entries in Ruined King, written from his POV, further ingrain that even before his transformation he was an arrogant sociopath who didn't even feel anything over witnessing the gruesome death of his fellow monks.

While it's left somewhat ambiguous if the "nameless tome" Thresh found actually had any effect on his mind—Thresh denies it, though he may have simply been too arrogant to realize it was "whisper[ing] his darkest thoughts aloud", the process is clear. Thresh was not an innocent man turned involuntarily to evil. In the manner of Gharnef, Thresh was an already-evil man turned even worse when the Ruination allowed him to fully embrace his sadistic potential. In the modern day there's no pretense to anything but Thresh being fully and gleefully aware of what a monster he is.

"Night at the Inn" does show him being fairly affable to an abused waiter named Bort, but not in any redeeming way—Thresh takes delight in corrupting the otherwise Nice Guy into a sadistic spirit that he then proceeds to put under his thrall. Bort may have it slightly better than everyone else Thresh runs into, but this isn't a Pet the Dog moment. It's Thresh having fun corrupting an innocent into evil.

As for the heinous standard, that's a non-issue. Thresh has solid claim to being one of, maybe the most evil League of Legends champion ever. He's responsible for the everlasting torture of hundreds, maybe thousands of souls, he has some of the nastiest Kick the Dog moments ever portrayed in the lore, and his endgame is to enslave the souls of everyone in Runeterra into perpetual torment.

Conclusion?

I'm saying easy keeper.

Edited by Scraggle on Dec 6th 2021 at 8:46:27 AM

Yesh to Thresh

Yes there— sounds like a very easy keeper once you get past the agency stuff.

Thresh. This makes 8 from the franchise could be time to make the page soon.

....I literally just answered Mirs pm about this guy like an hour ago LOL

Hell yeah to the Warden

Edited by Snoketrope on Dec 5th 2021 at 5:21:23 AM

to Thresh

Thresh

Just a thingy: wasn't there a little bit of questioning about Jhin?