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It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
to Deth Stryke, who I would not be surprised to hear kicks a puppy on page
to Ranikov, Wilton, and Clint
Edited by Libraryseraph on Nov 23rd 2021 at 8:25:51 AM
HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIAYes to Witold, Ridgeway and Dethstryk.
No to Rankovic.
Here are my write ups:
- What if Iron Man Lost The Armor Wars: Justin Hammer, as usual, is a ruthless tycoon and rival of Tony Stark. When Stark discovers that Hammer has stolen specs for his Iron Man tech, Stark hires Scott Lang to recover these specs. Hammer discovers Lang and threatens to kill his young daughter Cassandra if he doesn't reveal who hired him. Hammer then uses the specs to create a device to control the Iron Man armor. Hammer discovers Iron Man is Tony Stark and forces him to reveal several security secrets about the Avengers and SHIELD. Hammer sells this information to the enemies of Avengers and SHIELD, resulting in several terrorist attacks against SHIELD and Avengers compounds. Hammer then has Iron Man destroy Stark Enterprise HQ, attempting to kill everyone in the building and putting Jim Rhodes into a coma. Eventually, Hammer decides to force Stark to kill himself.
- Extreme Ghostbusters: Extreme Ghostbusters E 17 Ghost Apocalyptic Future: Tempus is a ghost who can exist in two different time periods. Tempus rules over a dark future where ghosts have taken over the world, enslaved humanity, and left the cities of the world in ruins. When a rebel attacks Tempus with a ghost bomb, he is split in two, with a version of him existing in both the present and the future. The Tempus in the present plans to free the ghosts from the Ghostbusters Containment Unit, to ensure the dark future where he rules the world comes to pass.
Edited by Overlord on Nov 23rd 2021 at 6:54:43 AM
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
Cliven and Deth.
Anyone else
wanna vote on my quote?
So, its been ages since I've posted here because this thread is too technical for me lol. Anyways there's the entry on YMMV.War Of The Spark Ravnica that I don't think was ever approved, and I guess I have to check back here first regarding a cut. Disclaimer: I know nothing about Magic The Gathering and I got here from the So Bad It's Horrible Cleanup.
- Bolas's final scheme: Destroying a lot of Ravnica's power structure, assassinating several of its leaders, then invading it with his army of eternals turned out to be nothing more than bait to trick Ral Zarek into summoning virtually every planeswalker in the multiverse, so Bolas could cast the elderspell, giving his zombies the ability to destroy planeswalkers with a touch and giving their Sparks to Bolas so he could ascend to godhood. And that's not even getting into how he got said army of zombies.
Edited by AlmightyKingPrawn on Nov 23rd 2021 at 11:20:24 AM
She/her. Profile pic is by Richard Michael Gomez @StarmansArt. Please watch Fraggle Rock: Back to the Rock. https://youtu.be/Vm92JNgPbqkI was looking over at the Animated Films page and came across this:
- Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole: Metal Beak, real name Surtr, is a savage owl and the leader of the Pure Ones. Embarking on a war of conquest to kill all who oppose him, Metal Beak is fond of "moonblinking" victims, turning them into mindless slaves and robbing them of their identities, with even children subjected to the process. Having one of his own allies devoured by bats, Metal Beak attempts to kill the hero Soren in front of his own brother, leader of the Guardians, out of little more than savage spite.
Here is my proposed rewrite:
- Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole: Metal Beak, real name Surtr, is a savage owl and the leader of the Pure Ones. Embarking on a war of conquest to kill all who oppose him, Metal Beak is fond of "moonblinking" victims, turning them into mindless slaves and robbing them of their identities, with even children subjected to the process. His intention behind enslaving them is to use magical flecks to set up a trap to kill all of the Guardians and moonblinked owls by draining their blood with bats after their gizzards are severely weakened, using his traitorous spy Allomere to lead them to certain death. When Allomere is no longer needed, Metal Beak leaves him to be devoured by the bats after falsely promising to make him King of the Great Tree, and later on attempts to kill the hero Soren in front of his old nemesis and Soren's teacher, Lyze of Kiel, out of little more than savage spite.
The reason why I propose this is for a few reasons:
- The film makes it explicitly clear that Metal Beak isn't moonblinking owlets for no reason; he's doing it to create a massive trap for the Guardians, as they are forced to use their beaks to pick up magical pellets that leave their very gizzards vulnerable. The bats then carry these pellets into large containers, which would be used to create a trap for the Guardians. Since Allomere was already planning to become King of the Great Tree of Ga'Hoole, he and Metal Beak made a deal that if he leads the Guardians to their doom, Metal Beak would make him King. Metal Beak used it to his advantage to kill off the Guardians and owlets all at once; the Guardians would come to rescue the owls, then Allomere would betray them, then Metal Beak would have his bats kill them off by having them drained of their blood, which is admittedly a brutal way to go for a kids' movie.
- Metal Beak doesn't simply have Allomere devoured by the bats; he falsely promises that he would make him King once he betrayed the Guardians and led them into the trap, and once he's outlived his usefulness, that's when the bats try to kill him. He tells Allomere that he couldn't trust him anymore, but when Allomere reminds Metal Beak of his promise, the latter does nothing to stop Allomere from being killed while boasting, "There is only room for ''one'' king!" He doesn't order for the bats to kill him, but leaving him to be devoured by them still makes it clear he saw him as nothing more than a useful pawn. In the video game follow-up, Allomere is shown to have survived this and becomes the game's main antagonist where he is eventually killed by the main protagonist, Shard.
- As for the part with his attempt on Soren's life, Metal Beak isn't confirmed to have any siblings; he's a Greater Sooty Owl, while the one he tries to kill Soren in front of is Lyze of Kiel, a Screech Owl, who's not the leader of the Guardians. The leaders of the Guardians are the King and Queen of Ga'Hoole; Lyze of Kiel was simply the leader of the soldiers, but it's still personal since Lyze was Soren's teacher who trained him to become a Guardian.
Edited by Misry6 on Nov 23rd 2021 at 11:54:53 AM
Just an empty void…
Ramsay, Witold, Cliven, Dethstryk, Jason's quote, Metal Beak's rewrite.
Cut Cinder.
I am the one, I am the one, the godlike terror train, superior artificial brain, feel free to call me BlaineYes to Cliven and Dethstryk haha he did not disappoint!
My next one for us, the first non-Marvel or DC comic candidate I've done in some time...
What's the work?
Hailstone is a 2020-2021 comic miniseries by Rafael Scavone. Taking place in the small, isolated town of Hailstone, Montana, during one of its harshest winters in the 1800s, disappearances of the townsfolk have been happening in the snowy blizzards of recent years, and it's up to town Sheriff Denton Ross, alongside his deputy Tobias, to get to the bottom of the disappearances, which are connected to the vanishing of Denton's own young son Percy...as well as the recently-constructed Union army factory...
Who is Captain Spencer? What has he done?
The bespectacled leader of Hailstone's Union army forces and factory head, supposedly producing clothes, weapons and other necessities for the war effort against the Confederates, Captain Spencer in truth is using Hailstone as a testing ground for his horrific, alchemical-like experiments in "science."
Trapping dozens of local wildlife to perform vivisection and butchery on—dwindling the food supply of Hailstone to such a point that its populace suffers in starvation during the winter months—Spencer eventually took to kidnapping civilians of Hailstone and members of the nearby Niitsitapi native tribe, using them as test subjects for his greatest idea: transforming animals into cyborg killing machines, and installing half-dead human brains into them so that they are easier to torture and cow into submission with electricity, the human minds still aware enough to suffer and agonize under Spencer's vile experiments.
Most of Spencer's test subjects fail, unsurprisingly, given the trauma of transferring a brain into an animal body holy shit, but his latest experiment has survived thus far, a large, half-robot bison with a fuckin' gatling gun attachment...soon enough, Sheriff Denton and Tobias catch onto the horrors, and Denton is captured, Spencer planning to transfer Denton's brain into a bear, use it as "proof" of his "genius" to Washington, then turn his experiments into a massive enterprise to create armies of robo-animal warriors made from human brains.
Luckily, Tobias comes to the rescue, the ensuing fight damaging a gas line, just as the robo-bison escapes captivity with a vengeance. The cowardly, spiteful Spencer disregards his horribly maimed, immensely loyal Dragon, ordering him to quit screaming in pain lest "you take me down with you", before threatening to use his gun to detonate the gas line and kill everyone around him if Denton doesn't save him from the vengeful robo-bison...needless to say, things don't work out for Spencer, and he's killed by his own creation as the factory collapses around him.
Denton, meanwhile? Finally finds his son Percy....he was Spencer's greatest experiment, having been kidnapped and had his brain placed into a bear's body, who Spencer then spent the better part of a year cutting into and torturing, until Percy finally escaped and roamed the woods, suffering alone...until Denton finally finds him and puts his boy down, giving him peace at last.
Mitigating factors?
Lmao no, nothing. Spencer doesn't even have real WIE leanings. He's on the Union side and proclaims his experiments will "win this war, and every other one after!", but it's pure barebones bs reasoning for his true goal: simple For Science! to satisfy his god complex. He treats his loyal lieutenant screaming in agony as he dies, begging Spencer to help him or at least put him out of his misery, as a nuisance to himself, is fine dragging his men down with him should he die, brags about how Washington will recognize his "genius"...pure scum.
Heinousness?
Very, very horrid experiments involving both animal and human cruelty, seeking to place conscious human minds into animals for him to torture and experiment upon into killing machines, hoping to branch out to mass production, subjecting even children to his butchery...and all with the extra kicker of helping Hailstone along with its suffering hunger by wiping out major food supply sources.
Final Verdict?
Easy yea
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!Ok, writeup time! His name is actually Witold Tarasiuk. My bad.
- ‘‘W11 - Wydział Śledczy’’ (W11: Department of Investigation): Witold Tarasiuk is seemingly a young man who takes care of his disabled elderly mother. In reality, he is a serial rapist and killer of underage girls. He stalks them working out in the gym and afterwards, he kidnaps them, locks them in the trunk, and drives them to the forest where he rapes them and brutally kills them. When a boyfriend of his most recent victim is questioned by police, Witold nearly-fatally stabs his older brother who actually saw his face when Witold argues with the girl. When arrested during the kidnapping of another girl, he shows no remorse and smirks sadistacally as proud of various murders he already committed throughout his life.
Edited by emperors on Nov 24th 2021 at 6:38:10 AM
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Sorry missed that.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."