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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
@ mir, fair enough, my argument is a power one, Tempus is not as powerful as those other world ending villains, lacking the God like powers those other villains had.
Yes it's mainly NYC in ruins and ghosts carrying people around in glass prisons, but living in cities in ruins would cut down your life expectancy and there is no way everyone survived in that world when the ghosts took over.
Yes to Steiner and Banba.
Happy birthday Lighty.
Yes to Steiner, Zodiac and Banda.
No to Tempus.
Happy birthday Lighty.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadAlso, Happy birthday Lighty.
Have another candidate from itch.io game
What is the Work?
Crowscare
is an RPG Maker game, from ArcadeKitten, the creator of It's Not Me, It's My Basement. Here is his library of games
, if anyone interested. The game follows a young boy named Ryo, excited for the upcoming Harvest Festival in his hometown. Ryo's father is a wizard, who tells that he made Ryo from hay and straw. Ryo doesn't believe it at first, constantly asking his father on who his mother was, as he helps him around the house and in the field, until father says that he needs a special mooshrooms for his potions and he will be forced to use his magic to find them. Ryo, not wanting his father to bother himself and waste his strenght, decided to go into the forbidden forest on his own at night to gather mooshrooms himself. There he discovers that he really is made of hay and straw (as the moon reveals his true self), making him a "scarecrow". In the forest he meets a seemengly friendly witch, who acts as his mother and is really sweet and kind. Also in the forest he meets a talking crow, who tries to warn him that the witch in reality is evil.
What do you know, the witch is evil, and she is my candidate.
You can watch the full walkthrough of the game (with all the endings) here:
Who is Venna?
A cruel and sadistic witch, who has loves to eat humans, Venna (her real name is almost never used, she is simply reffered as witch or "mom") arrived at Ryo's town several years ago, planning to make it her "harvest" by taking over it and slaughtering and eating the entire population of the town. Using her son Ingram, whom she heavily abused and at one point turned into a crow (twist is he is the crow that tries to warn Ryo about the true nature of the witch), after Ingram realized the extent of her plan and refused to obey her. Hunting down and eating children and adults, who she managed to caught in her forest, the witch meets Ryo, after he collected mooshrooms for his dad and the bridge to the town was broken.
Deciding to manipulate Ryo into helping her achieve her goals, she poses as a friendly and kind woman, acting as Ryo's mother, housing him, feeding him and teaching him about the potions. At one point, as he was sleeping in her house, Ryo heard a scream and go to investigate, searching through her house to find a lot of suspicious stuff (like bags full of blood), until he found a lantern and go outside to see what's up. Shocked upon at first seeing a corpse of a girl, the witch manipulated Ryo into beliving that he was simply "seeing things", as she invited him to take another look and he found nothing.
At the final night, as Harvest Festival was about to arrive, Ryo visits the witch one last time and she tries to make him pour some red potion on the statue of the goddess in the town (she can't go in town, because scarecrows there make her feel sick and weak, being sorta protection against her). This is where 3 of the endings can take place:
Ryo can agree and pour the potion on the statue of the goddess, which will make the moon red and allows the witch to invade the town and kill everyone, setting up shops where human meat will be sold as food, as her "friends" will arrive soon and she thanks shocked and scared Ryo for help.
Ryo can refuse, upon which the witch will call him ungreateful ("I housed you. I fed you. I teached you. And this is how you repay me. As if i owed you any of these things") and tears him in half, with scared Ryo crawling back to his father, and his shocked father destroys the witch with his power and prevets sun from rising (since in the sun Ryo is turned in a flesh and blood human, and this means his injury, which he can survive in "scarecrow" form, will kill him in his human form).
In the "True Ending", if Ryo will search around, find a code to the chest full of books and picks up a key from the crow, he will discover that crow is Ingram, frees him from his curse and tries to sabotage the witch's plan. Witch, upon noticing that Ryo sabotaged her potion on purpose, will try to kill him, only for Ingram to save him and battle the witch. The witch gleefully tears apart Ingram's cheeks ("And as any mother. I would be happy to see my child smile.") to create a smile on his face as a sadistic joke. And as Ryo arrives to his father, Ingram will come to them, revealing that he defeated and killed the witch (this detail is offscreen) and ask for help. After that Ryo's father will seemengly adopts Ingram and they happily celebrate Harvest Festival.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
None. All potential redeeming qualities are revealed to be false. Even her own son, Ingram, says that "Some people are just evil. And all second chances in the world won't chance that" in regards to her. While she is happy with Ryo in the ending, where he obeyed her wish, "The True Ending" and the second bad ending reveals that should Ryo say "No" and refuse, she will not hesitate to sadistically kill him, with the game and the narrative making it clear that she only views Ryo as a tool.
And, while she says that she has friends, they never show up onscreen and we never dweel on what their relationship actually looks like.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Hunts down people, including children, in the woods to devour them (we read about this and find bags full of blood in her basement) and her ultimate plan is to slaughter and feast on the entire population of the town. I think she passes.
Final Verdict?
What do you think?
Edited by VeryVileVillian on Nov 21st 2021 at 7:44:45 PM
Banda and Venna
Happiest of Birthdays, Lighty! Here's a present to celebrate.
What Is the Work?
The Spirit. Everyone should know who this guy is. A legend among comic fans well remembered for Will Eisner’s run that broke new grounds and left a lasting legacy.
Before Frank Miller’s terrible movie, there was The Spirit
, a 1987 TV pilot movie for ABC written by the one and only Steven E. de Souza.
Starring Sam J. Jones, Flash Gordon himself, as the title character, this pilot involves Denny Colt, a cop who was supposedly killed while trying to uncover a case involving antique forgery. But he manages a comeback as “The Spirit”, a masked vigilante crime fighter with a kid sidekick named Eubie, and a forced love interest in the form of Ellen Dolan. Who could be behind all of this? Well, the answer is closer to Ellen than she thought.
Who Is She?
P’Gell Roxton, an employee of the Roxton Art Museum who gives tons of money to the city and a supposedly good friend of Ellen’s, is actually a deadly, greedy femme fatale behind the plot of the pilot.
What has she done?
Having Denny’s friend Will murdered for attempting to reveal her plans of antique forgery through his latest manuscript, P’Gell hides behind the museum’s curator Simon Teasdale in order to get away with her crimes. Once the Spirit, disguised as an elderly art historian, manages to lie to P’Gell about a manuscript on antique forgery that he wrote, P’Gell, believing that he’s telling the truth, realizes that the game is up, and tries to have him killed by her goons, though she ends up swooping in and shooting the Spirit with a tranquilizer.
P’Gell then has the Spirit tortured for the manuscript’s supposed whereabouts. Kidnapping Ellen to use her as leverage to get the Spirit to talk, P’Gell has Ellen placed in an iron maiden to be slowly killed unless the Spirit confesses. Even after the Spirit confesses to have made the entire thing up, P’Gell still leaves Ellen to die and for the Spirit to watch helplessly.
But all of this sets the stage for P’Gell’s ultimate plan: During a charity ball at the art museum, P’Gell, to cover her tracks, plans to have the evidence, the museum, and everyone inside destroyed in a fiery explosion. When told by the Spirit that the casualties will also include a group of helpless children (some of whom are in wheelchairs), P’Gell brushes that aside as “that’s their karma.”
Once her plan fails, P’Gell seduces one of her goons into helping her escape the premises. And she was never seen again, because the show failed to get picked up, and forever remained a pilot.
Redeeming Qualities?
Any trace of kindness she displays is revealed to have been an act to cover up her true personality. While she brings up the suffering she’s had to endure to the Spirit that led her to her plan to get rich off of forging historic antiques, it’s… not really meant to make her redeeming:
“Two years of enduring Teasdale’s pomposity, my late husband’s pathetic medical problem, and god knows how many rubber chicken lunches.” Sucks bro.
But does that give her an excuse to carelessly kill dozens of people and helpless children? Nope. And about her late husband? Well, it’s shown that she’s willing to seduce numerous men to do her bidding, meaning that she never truly loved her husband in the first place, and doesn't display any genuine affection for him. Hell, the way she brought him up, it sounded like she was dissing him for his health problems, like his health was only a nuisance for her.
Heinousness?
Really, it’s only the attempted deaths of the charity ball gatherers and defenseless children that push her into CM territory. Antique forgery wasn’t going to cut it, that’s for sure.
Conclusion
I think she’s a keep.
Edited by therealjackieboy on Nov 21st 2021 at 8:46:43 AM
It's Spooky Month!
P’Gell and Venna
I was wondering about this one? Would comic Octopus count? Or his film counterpart.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."- Dragonball Z (original Evolution script) (link
):
- Piccolo is the Demon King of Namek who seeks the Dragonballs to conquer the universe. Viewing himself as a god, Piccolo invaded Earth to steal the Balls from the seven masters, unleashing Oozaru to destroy mankind as a distraction. Resurrected by Pilaf 2,000 years after his defeat, Piccolo intends to continue his plans of annihilation after he's dealt with Goku.
- Pilaf is a Namek-jin who seeks the seven Dragonballs to resurrect his master Piccolo and carry out his plan of wiping out mankind. Responsible for a majority of casualties by ordering his soldiers to leave no survivors as they slay all in their path, Pilaf tortures Bulma upon kidnapping her. When Goku arrives to save her and Yamcha, Pilaf triggers Goku into turning into Oozaru, leaving him behind to kill Bulma and Yamcha.
- Mai, one of Pilaf's cohorts, is a sadistic shapeshifter who overshadows her partner Shou in cruelty. Tasked with acquiring the Dragonballs to resurrect Piccolo, Mai steals a locator from Capsule Corp., killing three guards in the process. Leading the massacre of Paozu village, Mai later slaughters a gypsy caravan guarding a Dragonball, including the children. Posing as a little girl to manipulate Goku and company, Mai is later revealed to have killed Goku's grandfather Gohan.
- Judgment:
- Mitsuru Kuroiwa is an assassin masquerading as a Serial Killer who leaves his victims with their eyes gouged out. Initially a police informant for the Yakuza, Kuroiwa was eventually hired by Kaoru Ichinose to serve as the chief enforcer for AD-9, a drug development project intended to cure Alzheimer's disease. Alongside his Yakuza partner Kyohei Hamura, Kuroiwa would procure unwilling test subjects to be lethally experimented on before gouging out their eyes to hide any possible evidence of experimentation, performing a similar process on an attorney before planting his body in Takayuki Yagami's office to frame him and his allies when they got closer to the truth. Kuroiwa later tries to assassinate Hamura in the likelihood that he would snitch, beats Yagami's allies within an inch of their lives, and tries to kill Yagami himself by attempting to gouge out his eyes. Once exposed, Kuroiwa abducts AD-9's lead researcher in hopes of continuing the project, vowing to procure as many subjects as it takes under the delusion that the world would hail him as a hero for holding the cure to Alzheimer's.
- Kaoru Ichinose is the Vice-Minister of Health, and the founder of the Advanced Drug Development Center. In an attempt to keep the ADDC funded so that he can maintain political power, Ichinose covers up the crimes of the lead researcher behind AD-9, and helps him kidnap and experiment on countless test subjects, leading them to suffer agonizing deaths. When the Vice-Director attempts to sabotage development behind AD-9, Ichinose hires Kuroiwa to murder him, later having Kuroiwa kidnap and deliver Yakuza to test the drug and make it look like they died in a turf war. Ichinose later orders the death of an attorney for digging too deep into AD-9 and has a detective framed for it. When it looks like his crimes will be exposed in court, Ichinose orders Kuroiwa to be killed to prevent himself from being connected to the killings.
- El Cid: The Legend: Ben Yusuf is an Almoravid conqueror who is causing grief for both Christians and Muslims in the Iberian Peninsula. The opening tapestry shows him purging dissenting rulers, a sentiment he expresses himself when he first appears on-screen. Conditions under his rule are brutal and tyrannical, with a scene showing him mutilating a laborer simply because the latter was tired and didn't meet his quota. Later he marches his armies to conquer Valencia, the blood of many Christians and Muslims on his hands. He holds Jimena hostage, making her his concubine and sexually harassing her.
- 2004 film: Colonel Hades is introduced inspecting an army of Landmates he commissioned for a terrorist attack he soon executes against Bioroid life extension facilities in a thorough attempt at genocide. When he learns of the Appleseed, which would make those facilities moot, Hades intercepts the ESWAT team sent by Athena on a secret mission to retrieve it and massacres the team save for Deunan and Briareos, who escape the bloodbath, as well as a single Regular Army mole who shared his feelings towards Bioroids. When Briareos reveals to the Regular Army that the Elders were using them for their own genocidal means, Hades tries to kill him and Deunan over General Uranus's objections. A genocidal racist whose hatred of Bioroids was ultimately a means to nurse prior grievances against Deunan's father and stroke his own ego, Hades shows himself to be the most personal menace Deunan ever had to deal with during her ESWAT career in any continuity.
- 100 Years Quest: Aldoron, the Wood Dragon God, regained his health and power by leeching off the lives of innocents in the towns upon him when asleep. Upon awakening, Aldoron devours the life of 300,000 innocents before attempting to kill Fairy Tail and torture Natsu, intending to sweep over the land of Guilitina and destroy all of it. Aldoron announces plans to consume the other four Dragon Gods and take the world, mocking any other who believes in peace with humankind.
- Pirates of the Caribbean:
- Dead Man's Chest & At World's End: Lord Cutler Beckett is the Chairman of the East India Trading Company. Upon his arrival at Port Royale, Beckett assumes illegal control and has the governor's messenger to the King murdered. Beckett later enslaves Davy Jones, forcing him to kill his pet Kraken and making Jones his personal attack dog of the seas. Governor Swann himself is later murdered when Beckett decides he's of no further use. It is made abundantly clear that Beckett's prime motivation is power and control, and as piracy is a threat to that, Beckett initiates a purge of anyone even vaguely associated with piracy, with all legal proceedings suspended. The result is a massive line of people, many of whom aren't even pirates, taken to the gallows to be hanged. Not even children are safe, as a little boy is shown being hanged as Beckett looks on without remorse or emotion.
- On Stranger Tides: Captain Edward Teach, the infamous Blackbeard, prides himself on being one of the most feared men on the high seas. Blackbeard abuses and murders members of his own crew on the basis of "if I don't kill a man every now and then, they forget who I am". He incinerates his ship's cook to demonstrate this and resurrecting some of his own slain crew members as mindlessly obedient zombies. On his quest to the Fountain of Youth to avert his prophesied death at the hands of a one-legged man, Blackbeard puts a mermaid named Syrena through hideous treatment for the purpose of gaining her tear, first showing her the remains of her own fellow mermaids and then ordering Phillip, the single man who displays compassion to her, killed in front of her. Blackbeard claims to love his daughter, but undersells even this through a risky game of Russian Roulette with his own daughter's life and ultimately trying to sacrifice her life for his own at the Fountain of Youth. Blackbeard admits he feels closest to God in moments of pain and anguish and calmly tortured and murdered anyone who dared to stand against him.
- Dead Men Tell No Tales: Captain Armando Salazar is a self-righteous fanatic who seeks nothing less than the total annihilation of all piracy regardless of the level of criminality possessed by his victims. Scourging the seas for years in which he ambushed and slaughtered thousands of unsuspecting pirates and killed even the wounded, surrendering survivors with relish, Salazar was condemned to a life of haunting the Devil's Triangle after his death at the hands of Jack Sparrow. Taking his first opportunity to escape, Salazar massacres vessels across the ocean before forcing Barbossa to ally with him after sadistically killing most of the man's crew. Ultimately possessing Henry Turner to use as a Human Shield, Salazar tries to torturously kill Jack with the Trident of Poseidon and bring about a new wave of decimation to the seas. Despite claiming to be avenging his dead father in his hunt for pirates, supplementary material reveals that Salazar's own deluded ego drove him to kill his father simply for accepting bribes from pirates.
- Non-canon works:
- The Price of Freedom prequel novel, by A. C. Crispin: Ian Mercer is the stoically sadistic right-hand man of Cutler Beckett, aiding his employer in a scheme of mass murder and slavery. A lover of torture who brags of his dozens of successful "interrogations" after a prisoner kills himself rather than face more of Mercer's brutality, Mercer tries to track down a variety of slaves for the express purpose of torturing them for information on their home island of Kerma. Mercer and Beckett intend to find Kerma, raid the island for its massive gold supply, and wipe out most of the populace before selling any survivors into their slave trade. When Jack Sparrow thwarts the invasion of Kerma, Mercer giddily takes part in Jack's branding as a pirate before destroying his cherished ship The Wicked Wench just to torment him.
- Online: Jolly Roger was once a friend of Jack Sparrow, until he became envious of Jack's status as the next Pirate Lord of the Caribbean, and tried to kill him. Cursed to become an undead being by a vengeful Witch Doctor, Roger attacks towns, intending to slaughter the inhabitants and resurrect them to serve in his undead army to help him conquer the Caribbean and kill Jack. When Roger finds the protagonist with a man who had betrayed Roger, Roger kills the man after he tries to pay Roger to spare him, only allowing the protagonist to live so they can deliver a message from Roger to Jack.
- Dr. Schreber is one of the Enclave's most disturbed scientists. Schreber "customizes" his test subjects in horrible experiments involving biological and cybernetic augmentation, eventually resulting in Schreber's mortified superiors in Navarro forcing him to soundproof his lab against the constant screaming of his subjects. Schreber also paralyzed his cyberdog K9 so he'd be Forced to Watch every horrific experiment that Schreber conducted. In his most abominable act, Schreber ordered the extermination of the sapient, peaceful Deathclaws in Vault 13, resulting in Frank Horrigan coming down upon them and wiping them out.
- Disney's War — A Crossover Story: The Horned King is the monstrous undead tyrant who believes himself to be a god. The Horned King is accidentally resurrected, and as soon as he is revived, he kills the three witches and then discovers there are other realities so he plans to conquer them all. The Horned King uses the mirror in the central castle to travel between realities. The Horned King manipulates Queen Grimhilde into helping him create an army of fallen Disney villains by pretending to care about her. This constant reality jumping is threatening to tear the multiverse apart, something which the Horned King wants to happen so he can recreate it in his image. Later on, the Horned King brutally tortures the captive Alice with magic and turns her into his puppet. During the big battle, he nearly kills Taran but ends up killing Tinker Bell instead. To restore his power, the Horned King has Grimhilde kiss him to drain the life out of her, killing her. The rest of the villains are horrified at this, so the Horned King kills them all. After which, he summons Chernabog and merges to continue his plan to destroy everything. Even after the Horned King's death, his corruption lives on through Alice, who continues the Horned King's goal to conquer the world and gets even more people killed.
- Prince Phobos is the tyrannical ruler of Meridian. Having murdered his parents for the throne, Phobos rules Meridian with an iron fist, and demands absolute obedience from his subjects, torturing, enslaving, and killing those who show even the slightest sign of disloyalty. Phobos siphons the power from Meridian to empower himself, not caring that he is slowly destroying the planet, and frequently throws away the lives of his subjects and servants to further his own power, torturing them if they do not comply. Phobos is obsessed with stealing the Heart of Meridian from his sister Elyon, and when he does, he tries to kill her and everyone else within the capital save for the one minion he thinks he can still control, planning to conquer all of reality with his newfound power once he has disposed of his sister and the Guardians of Kandrakar. A cruel madman to the core, the only thing Phobos ever cared about was power.
- The Forgotten Battle:
- Oberst Berghof is the German commandant in charge of Zeeland, whose people he oppresses by arresting and killing any who may resist him, having already done so with three boys to make his point. Arresting Dirk Visser for disobedience, Berghof has him tortured for information before executing Dirk along with his comrades. When the Allied forces attempt to enter Walcheren Island, Berghof blows up the bridges connecting to the island forcing them to go through the dam, where Berghof has his soldiers massacre them.
- Pim Den Oever enforces Berghof's rule over Zeeland, personally arresting those Berghof deems disobedient. Oever would then proceed to torture his prisoners before executing them, with one scene showing him cutting off Dirk's fingers. Oever would also expose Marinus van Staveren's attempts to warn Dirk's family of his execution, resulting in Marinus being ordered to be part of Oever's firing squad, with Oever forcing Marinus to kill Dirk. Oever then imprisons Dirk's sister, Teuntjie, when she attempts to escape and later tries to rape her.
- Full Metal Jacket: The unnamed door gunner spends the entirety of his brief appearance shooting down Vietnamese civilians, laughing and casually chatting with other soldiers the entire time. He has over 150 confirmed kills, including women and children. His crimes are considered loathsome even in the nightmare world of wartime Vietnam, disgusting even other soldiers.
- Grave Encounters & Grave Encounters 2: Dr. Arthur Friedkin is the mastermind of the horrors of Collingwood Psychiatric Hospital. A brutal authoritarian who ran Collingwood under harsh conditions and lobotomized nearly 150 patients under his care, Friedkin used the hospital to cover up his heinous, Satanic rituals to transform Collingwood into a nightmarish gateway to hellish dimensions. Friedkin would vivisect patients and sacrifice infants in his goal to twist Collingwood to his will, and even after death he continues to haunt Collingwood, tormenting the spirits of his old victims while helping the sapient hospital find new victims for Friedkin to terrorize.
- Lord of War: Andre Baptiste Sr. and Jr. are a father-son pair of wannabe dictators of Liberia, and represent the absolute worst kind of person Yuri Orlov deals weapons to. Andre Sr. is a cold-blooded sociopath who executed one of his own soldiers to test a weapon, while Andre Jr. is a hollering lunatic who drives around town firing on random civilians with his machine guns. The duo leading a bloody Civil War that costs countless lives while indoctrinating Child Soldiers into their regime, Andre Sr. shows his harshest colors when he sends a batch of weapons to allies of his to massacre innocent refugee camps of men, women and children; Andre Jr. hopes to personally lead the charge, and tries to gun down an entire family for giggles when the opportunity arises.
- No One Gets Out Alive: Becker partook in his family ritual of sacrificing women to the Aztec goddess, Ītzpāpālōtl. When he and his brother, Red, killed their parents, Becker continued the sacrifices upon discovering that they gave him good health forcing Red to lure women to their boarding house for Becker to feed Ītzpāpālōtl, already killing many women as evidence with the amount ghosts trapped in their house. Preparing to make heroine Ambar his latest offering to Ītzpāpālōtl, Becker kills two Romanian women still under his captivity and beats Ambar's uncle to death before attempting to strangle Ambar to death.
- Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark (2019): Dr. Ephraim Bellows is one of the seemingly benevolent Bellows family that founded the town and opposed the "Wicked Witch", Ephraim's sister Sarah. In truth, Ephraim was a cruel sociopath who helped run the family's paper mill despite the fact that it poisoned the local water supply, killing multiple children while sickening others. The head of the local sanitarium, Ephraim oversaw the torture of the innocent Sarah to frame her for the deaths, brutally subjecting her to endless electroshock therapy.
- Skeleton Key: Conrad is a freelance terrorist and General Alexei Sarov's most trusted lackey. A former bomber who blew up his school and later committed terrorist acts across the globe, Conrad began to work for Sarov shortly after he was injured in an accident. After Sarov comes up with a plan to take over Russia by setting off a nuclear bomb and dismantling most of Europe, Conrad wastes no time helping Sarov get the materials he needs, killing anyone who interferes with their plans. Once Sarov kidnaps Alex Rider, Conrad tries to have him killed on numerous occasions, despite Sarov's demands to keep the boy alive. While Sarov wanted to bring Russia to a more stable country with him as its leader, Conrad only helped Sarov for the sake of getting rich, not caring that millions would perish in the process.
- Smaller & Smaller Circles: Isabelo Gorospe is the vile figure who drove Alex Carlos to his murder spree. A gym teacher and pedophile, Isabelo lured impoverished boys by offering them scholarships, before forcing himself on them. Calling 8 boys in the gym after school, Isabelo would rape them and force them to do sexual acts together for a school year, with Alex, as his "favorite boy", the prime target of his worst acts; all this while always reminding them of how helpless they are to his authority, later rescinding the scholarships regardless.
- Something Dark and Holy trilogy:
- Chyrnog, the fallen God of Chaos and Entropy, desires nothing less than the end of all things. Concocting a series of events to revive himself, Chyrnog possesses High Prince Serefin Meleski and forces him to kill his magically enhanced brother, Malachiasz Czechowicz. Chyrnog then possesses and revives Malachiasz and forces him to go on a serial killing and cannibalism spree to force him to submit to his control. Chyrnog sends his minions to attack and wipe out populated areas, planning to increase the carnage for his pleasure. Ultimately, after breaking Malachiasz's will, Chyrnog intends to use him as a host to wipe out the entire world, leaving nothing but an empty darkness.
- Wicked Saints: King Izak Meleski, Serefin's father, is the tyrannical leader of Tranavia. Izak despises the idea that his people view him as weak and ineffectual, and now plans to prove them wrong by achieving godhood. To this end, Izak has thousands of his own citizens experimented on and killed for the ritual to achieve divinity. Izak is also cruel to the enemy nation of Kalyazin, which he's fighting in a war, sending countless prisoners to be worked to death as slaves in the salt mines. Izak despises his son, Serefin, to such a degree that he plans to kill him as his final act to achieve godhood itself.
- Locke & Key (2020): The demon infesting the soul of Lucas "Dodge" Caravaggio is a rapacious and cruel being who begins murdering those around it in order to see the Black Door opened and its kin infest as many people as possible. Later having Rendell Locke murdered to ensure the Locke family ends at Lovecraft, Dodge masterminds his escape, seducing the young woman Eden to his side and abusing the real Dodge's former lover, Ellie, even tricking the Lockes into casting her into hell. Experimenting on innocents with a new key to open a path to possession by the demons beyond the Door, Dodge intends to overrun the entire world after killing the Locke clan.
- My Name: Do Gang-jae is the sadistic, vengeful gangster with a sick interest in Ji-woo. After losing to Ji-woo in a sparring competition, Gang-jae drugs her water flask and attempts to rape her that night. When she fights back, he decides to kill her with a hammer instead, only stopping when Choi Mujin, his former boss, stops him. Five years later after being expelled from the crime ring Dongcheon, Gang-jae resurfaces as a drug lord. He leads a raid on Dongcheon's gym, intending to kill everyone there, leaving a gym painted in blood. Gang-jae himself participates and kills several with his blade, then maims Choi's Dragon, Taeju Jung. After learning Ji-woo is working undercover in the police, Gang-jae captures Ji-woo and her partner, tortures them, then throws them in a car to be crushed by a car compactor so they can die slow, painful deaths. Hunted by the police for these attempted murders, Gang-jae decides to leave the island after turning Choi over to them. In his final battle against Dongcheon, Gang-jae kills several more gangsters and almost finishes off Choi himself until Ji-woo stops him. He spends his last moments attempting to ruin Ji-woo's relationships with the police and Choi by revealing her true allegiance to Dongcheon and her father's true allegiance to the police, not Dongcheon.
- Nip/Tuck's seasons 5 & 6: Dr. Theodora "Teddy" Rowe is a beautiful anesthesiologist of charm and class who absolutely charms Sean McNamara and his family. Actually a greedy Serial Killer and Black Widow, Teddy seduces wealthy doctors and murders them for their money, killing a patient who recognizes her. On a camping trip with Sean, Teddy tries to kill him along with his children, even the extremely young Connor, to obtain Sean's insurance money.
- Annual Vol. 1 issue #18's "Forged in Fire": Skulveig is the father-by-rape of a Thor rogue named Hrinmeer, aka the Flame. In the far past Skulveig massacred a city of elves and made Hrinmeer's mother his Sex Slave, relishing that his very touch was like fire to her. Skulveig subsequently raised his bastard offspring under decades of emotional abuse, until Hrinmeer finally embraced the violence he was raised by and slew Skulveig as his first of many victims.
- The Captain Goodking Saga: Sanies begins his career by consuming his future master's assistant and practicing the spells he taught him on various unwilling victims, leaving them dead or in various awful states from him absorbing their life and magic. Sanies proceeds to massacre a village in the Dragon Lands to gain Celestia's attention and to take over her mind. Failing at this, Sanies tricks Luna and Discord into resurrecting the Storm King, allowing him to go on a magic-fueled rampage before betraying him and using his power to destroy the world. When Sanies's master returns, Sanies uses Chrysalis's body to disguise himself as a corrupted Star-Swirl and uses corrupted illusions of the other Pillars so he and his master can convince Stygian to become the Pony of Shadows again. Sanies then possesses Luna's body, killing Captain Goodking numerous times within a dream world to burn time while making the moon slowly descend upon Equestria to crush it. In his final outing, Sanies uses the power of the Seals of the Planets that his future self gave him to wipe out all life in the universe.
- First game & 0rigins:
- Dahlia Gillespie is the head of a cult known as the Sect of the Holy Woman. Starting a drug trade, Dahlia sells a hallucinogen made from a local plant named White Claudia to the tourists, killing the anti-drug mayor and the narcotics officer Gucci in the process. Desiring to gain personal power by summoning God, Dahlia kidnaps and attempts to impregnate several young girls with the God, which leads to their deaths. After finding out that her 7-year-old daughter Alessa had vast mental powers, Dahlia decided to perform the impregnation ritual on Alessa. As a result of this, Alessa's soul was split in 2 halves. Dahlia then cast a spell, keeping one half of Alessa alive and in extreme pain, not allowing her burns to heal. Dahlia's intention was for the other half to subconsciously feel Alessa's pain, and come back to Silent Hill, where the soul would be reunited. Seven years later, Dahlia tricks the first game's protagonist Harry Mason into helping her to complete the ritual.
- Dr. Michael Kaufmann produces and supplies PTV for the Order, while keeping much of it to sell elsewhere. Uncaring of the drug's intense effects and painful withdrawal symptoms, Kaufmann greedily lines his pocket, giving the dangerous psychedelic to tourists looking to get high. Preying on his own nurse Lisa Garland, Kaufmann hooks the young woman for years, threatening to cut her off lest she yield to his demands both sexually and for his illegal operations and eventually deciding to flee the town for fear of his own safety, abandoning Lisa to the Order's apocalyptic plot.
- Silent Hill 4: Jimmy Stone and his right-hand man, George Rosten, are the long-deceased leaders of an alliance between the Sect of Valtiel and the Sect of the Holy Mother, branches of the religious cult known as the Order. Running the Wish House with an iron fist, they brainwashed and abused orphans to make more followers of the Order, sending those who disappointed them to a Hellhole Prison where the children would suffer for days, some not even surviving. As representatives of their respective interpretations of the Order's teachings, both are also equally guilty of more atrocities. Stone was given the nickname "Red Devil" for his choice in becoming an executioner to be closer to his twisted angel and Rosten was particularly interested in finding someone to complete the 21 Sacraments, sacrifices that, in his belief, would cleanse the world of sin. Deciding to use the young Walter Sullivan as his puppet, Rosten devoted himself to raising and molding him into his own Serial Killer.
- Christabella LaRoache is the Overarching Villain of the comics. An undead, 8-year-old lurking within the town, Christabella once traumatized a film student and murdered her doctor before resurrecting him as her pet monster. Coming face-to-face with her older sister, Christabella amuses herself by killing her friends one by one, intending on making them into more slaves. After having her powers taken away from her, Christabella is recruited as the Psycho Party Member for the heroes, torturing one of them as retaliation for showing disgust towards her. With the destruction of Samael's mortal vessel, Christabella succeeds in becoming the sole ruler of Silent Hill, excitingly advising a visitor that they will know when it is time to scream. Unlike the demonic Whately and his plan to change the entire world, Christabella ruins lives solely to feel powerful.
- "The Wrong Side of the War" arc: Clynn is a sadistic, bullying thug of an Imperial officer who uses what limited influence he has in the Empire for his own gratification. To introduce new recruit Janek Sunber to the "perks" of their position, Clynn attempts to rape a female slave, viciously beats the first man who tries to stop him, and casually orders anyone else who tries to follow him shot. When Janek pulls a gun on him in disgust, Clynn spitefully spins the story as an attempted murder so he can have Janek arrested and executed.
- William Shakespeare's Star Wars, by Ian Doescher:
- Palpatine, aka Darth Sidious, is a diabolical Sith mastermind who revels in his own evil and finds no greater joy than crushing others. Orchestrating the invasion of Naboo and near-massacre of swathes of its populace to secure his place as Supreme Chancellor, Palpatine then plays the Republic and Separatists against each other to kick-start the Clone Wars, leading to a years-long, galaxy-wide bloody conflict that engulfs countless worlds in war. For his masterstroke, Palpatine corrupts Anakin Skywalker into becoming his apprentice Darth Vader; uses Order 66 to wipe out almost all Jedi down to the younglings; and institutes the oppressive Galactic Empire regime to become the dictatorial Emperor of the Galaxy. Constructing the Death Star in the hopes of using it to destroy entire worlds against his rule, Palpatine later sets a trap to wipe out the entire Rebellion and turn Luke Skywalker into his pawn all at once, hoping to have Luke kill his own father before attempting to torture Luke to death when he refuses. Returning one last time, Palpatine twists Ben Solo into Kylo Ren; unleashes the First Order onto the galaxy to terrorize and destroy many worlds; then attempts to once more rise to power not only through use of his "Final Order", an army of planet-killing Star Destroyers, but also by forcibly transferring his essence into his own granddaughter Rey, having murdered the girl's parents to bring about the possibility.
- Verily, a New Hope & The Jedi Doth Return: Star Wars Part the Sixth: Jabba the Hutt is a bloated, slug-like crime lord who Han Solo considers the most depraved being he ever faced. A gangster who terrorizes Tatooine, Jabba enjoys torturing innocents and indebting petty crooks to him to force them into servitude, and regularly feeds people alive to his pet Rancor or Sarlacc, including his own men. Having Han frozen alive in carbonite and hanging him on the wall as a trophy, Jabba captures Han's attempted rescuers and turns Leia into his latest scantily clad slave meant to be permanently chained to him, before trying to throw Han and the rest of his friends and allies to the Sarlacc to be digested slowly and painfully for years.
- Los' the Red, best known as the Crimson King, is the demonic offspring of Arthur Eld and the Overarching Villain of King's multiverse. A sadistic entity who proclaims the glory of chaos, or "The Red", the Crimson King presides over a court of nightmare and slaughter while sowing evil and chaos across the realms. The being behind all the evil and destruction of Randall Flagg; the rampaging armies of John Farson; and agents such as Atropos and Munshun, the Crimson King has the nation of Gilead annihilated and its people slaughtered, while having psychic children known as Breakers taken to have them sucked dry so their powers may be used to help open the path to The Dark Tower. The Crimson King's ultimate goal is to ascend to the top of the Tower and consume all the multiverse, ending everything that exists so the King may rule the primordial chaos that results. At last poisoning his own court to become undead and losing his mind and power, the Crimson King faces Roland while seeking to ascend the Tower and end all reality.
- "Megatron" is a self-proclaimed tyrant and would-be Galactic Conqueror. A user and abuser of his followers, Megatron divides the world into enemies and pawns, killing or enslaving the former, and ruthlessly exploiting the latter. His more notable crimes include extracting half of Rampage's spark, placing it in a vise, and using it to torture Rampage into submission; attempting to order Dinobot to kill Quickstrike, one of Megatron's relatively more loyal soldiers, after Quickstrike lost to Dinobot in a sort of re-entrance exam into the Predacons; an aborted genocide of humanity's common ancestor; attempting to rewrite all of his history by killing the original Optimus Prime; and, finally, sacrificing all his remaining troops in order to gain control of the Nemesis and set out to overrun the galaxy. His defeat doesn't stop him either—when he returns in Beast Machines he's gotten worse, picking up a serious god complex along the way. Seizing control of Cybertron, Megatron extracts the sparks from everyone on the planet, reducing them to mindless drones. Acquiring a hatred of all organic life, Megatron tries to scrub Cybertron clean of it, resulting in the near-destruction of all life, robotic and organic, on his home planet when his last mad grasp for power finally fails.
- Killing Time: Tess Conway is a wealthy heiress in Matinicus Isle, Maine, who loves to spend her life having parties and using people, only to toss them aside in the end. Discovering the existence of The Water-Clock of Thoth, with which she planned to become immortal, Tess manipulates everyone around her, even her lover Duncan DeVries, to deliver this artifact to her. Laughing at Duncan's proposal to her, openly admitting to never truly loving him, causing Duncan to kill her in rage, Tess uses her final moments to unleash a curse upon the island, condemning all the people at her party to be slaughtered and then possessed by the demons, as Duncan himself is driven mad and turned into the avatar of Set. Manipulating the protagonist into gathering all her body parts together to resurrect herself, Tess gleefully kills Duncan, before trying to turn the protagonist into one of her undead slaves.
- Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath: Sekto is an Oktigi who took over the body of the Olden Steef and hunted the rest of the Steef to near-extinction, keeping their heads as trophies. Becoming the head of Sekto Springs Bottled Water Company, Sekto dammed Mongo River to sell the water for a profit, causing the native Grubb population to suffer a deadly drought. If any Grubbs trespassed, Sekto had them killed and strung up as a warning. When Stranger is outed as the last surviving Steef, Sekto mounts an attack on the remaining Grubb villages, including the city of Last Legs. After Stranger fights his way to Sekto's office, the latter attempts to complete his collection of Steef heads by killing Stranger whilst taunting him over the death of his people.
- République:
- Overseer/Headmaster Kenichiro Treglazov is a sociopathic totalitarian hell-bent on instituting his idea of order onto the world. Creating the underwater city of Metamorphosis, Treglazov lures hundreds of people to the city, only to trap them there under threat of imprisonment or execution, forcing them to become part of his oppressed society. Burning books and cutting off contact with the outside world to further dominate the citizens of "his" city, Treglazov creates the artificially cloned Mirrors to serve as human data storage, regularly abusing, "recalibration", or flat-out murdering them by the dozens when they fall short of his teachings, uncaring that the few survivors of his brutality later go insane or kill themselves anyway. Intending to create a surveillance state over the entire world where he will bring his dictatorship to millions, Treglazov proves that for all of his talk of "helping the world", he's in truth nothing but a controlling misanthrope who blinds artists so their best work will be of his likeness, considers even his friends expendable, and is more than willing to kill every single person under his thumb rather than they escape his reign.
- Quinn Derringer is the brutal head of the Prizrak guard, tasked with security over Metamorphosis. A sadist long before his position, Derringer uses his power to frame hundreds of people for crimes they didn't commit to force them under his control, where he casually threatens and abuses anyone he can with glee, always eager to find a reason to "recalibrate" or put down Mirrors in his charge. Becoming Hope's most hated adversary for viciously beating the Librarian to death on mere suspicions of subterfuge against the Overseer, Derringer hunts and terrorizes Hope throughout the game before nearly killing her with his bare hands, intent on securing Metamorphosis's oppression continues for years to come.
- Tommy Taffy series (July 1969
; July 1987
; July 1989
; finale
): The titular Tommy Taffy is a doll-like man who forcibly inserts himself into families' lives. Ostensibly there to help people raise their children as a "third parent", Tommy responds to any resistance to his presence with savage beatings. Angered at attempts to get rid of him, Tommy retaliates with further violence, going as far as to burn down an entire neighborhood on one occasion. Other notable incidents include Tommy forcing a broken broom handle down a man's throat and impaling him through the stomach while making the man's family watch; stuffing a little girl's mouth full of thumbtacks as punishment for phoning the police; and dangling a baby over a running garbage disposal. Tommy also has a habit of raping women who don't comply with him and playing mind games with parents by exhibiting sexual aggression towards their young children, knowing that the parents won't try to stop him for fear of incurring his wrath further.
- "A Story of Magic": Margaret's parents were members of a cult that worshipped the Entity and sought to rid the world of any non-believers. Working with their sect to forge a weapon capable of smiting their enemies, the two had Margaret in the first place so her very life essence could be used to power the Magic Gun. When Margaret turned 13, her parents assisted in a ritual that saw their daughter tortured and tormented, laughing at her sobs of pain. When Margaret's blood and soul were drained into the Magic Gun, her parents immediately wielded it in the hopes of using it to kill in their god's name. The two showed no remorse when confronted by Margaret's vengeful spirit, believing their actions were fully justified even as they succumbed to madness and death.
As for Bullseye...if it's the one from here
, it's Earth-616 Bullseye, who we already have up.
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Nah, it was an honest mistake. I'm sure there are Bullseyes around nobody has.
Though 2 who DON'T count:
- The Punisher MAX: Probably heinous enough, but has a weird Pet the Dog moment.
- This one
: DEFINITELY heinous enough, but ALSO has a Pet the Dog moment.
For Monster Star Wars. Should the Return of the Jedi novelization, The Star Wars, and Star Wars: Infinities entries go in the Others section since they are not Disney canon or Legends canon, at least as far as I can tell. I admit I am not the biggest expert on either canons, so I could be wrong.
Edited by Bullman on Nov 21st 2021 at 11:59:19 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread

Yes to Steiner