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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Draxterrus An Eldritch Troper Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
An Eldritch Troper
#286226: Oct 30th 2021 at 4:28:37 AM

I believe they overlooked the starting part of Terumi’s entry:

“Takehaya Susanoo-no-Mikoto, better known as Yūki Terumi…”

I remember his entry started with “Yuki Terumi…” before it was rewritten so there must have been a misunderstanding after the rewrite so it seemed the entry wasn’t about Terumi but someone else entirely.

Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#286227: Oct 30th 2021 at 5:04:40 AM

Cut Nithriel.

Yes to the Aztec God (seems to at least have as much personality as Malekith); Gaul; Zofloya; Nomura.

Gottfried...honestly, I could go either way on his novel incarnation.

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
YobabyColin Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#286230: Oct 30th 2021 at 7:26:20 AM

We have a keeper in the latest Pokemon movie, BTW, but depending on how many posts we get today I may wait until after Halloween to post him. I'm expecting a fuckton of posts, spaced out or not, and I'll try to have a special Halloweenie candidate myself.

I do wanna emphasise ACW's post one more time though; let's try not to inundate the thread with seasonal proposals.

WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#286231: Oct 30th 2021 at 7:27:44 AM

I've got a possible image for Gaul? What do you guys think

http://imgur.com/a/vz2QOTd

What's wrong D-16? Rise up!
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#286232: Oct 30th 2021 at 7:31:46 AM

BTW Scraggle, mind writing up Hellgate before the flood comes? I wanna make sure that goes on the page before it gets locked (I don't know what the votes for Churm were, but I reiterate my support for an EP).

DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
#286233: Oct 30th 2021 at 8:07:33 AM

Has anyone previously brought up Verstael Besithia from Final Fantasy XV? Because reading up on him, I think he'd count handily.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#286234: Oct 30th 2021 at 8:13:12 AM

[tup] to Gaul, Zofloya, Gottfried and Normura.

[tdown] to Nithrael.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#286235: Oct 30th 2021 at 8:22:39 AM

  • Anton Hellgate is the arch-enemy of Michae Badilino/Vengeance ", who admits Hellgate is one of the most depraved men he's ever fought. A Corrupt Corporate Executive who kills and resurrects his minions at his own whim, Hellgate has his fingers dipped in all sorts of crime, from systematically having cops trying to take him down murdered, to peddling immortal supersoldiers to the gangs of Manhattan while murdering those who refuse to take his deal. Hellgate also attempts to murder the family of John Blaze as a cheap distraction, orders his Psycho for Hire Chaum to massacre dozens of people just to get Ghost Rider's attention, and has Badilino agonizingly tortured to figure put his genetic makeup. Anton ultimately intends to dissect Badilino and record the process for his amusement, all in order to use the Spirit of Vengeance to make himself supreme.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#286236: Oct 30th 2021 at 8:29:52 AM

I'll also reiterate my support for an EP for Churum.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#286237: Oct 30th 2021 at 8:30:49 AM

Any pothole for Hellgate? Bad Boss I guess.

Also, I assume John Blaze is Johnny Blaze?

Multiple Ghost Riders

  • Vol. 3 (primarily): Anton Hellgate is the Arch-Enemy of Michael Badilino—"Vengeance"—who admits Hellgate is one of the most depraved men he's ever fought. A Corrupt Corporate Executive who kills and resurrects his minions at his own whim, Hellgate has his fingers dipped in all sorts of crime, from systematically having cops trying to take him down murdered, to peddling immortal Super Soldiers to the gangs of Manhattan while murdering those who refuse to take his deal. Hellgate also attempts to murder the family of Johnny Blaze as a cheap distraction; orders his Psycho for Hire Chaum to massacre dozens of people just to get Ghost Rider's attention; and has Badilino agonizingly tortured to figure put his genetic makeup. Anton ultimately intends to dissect Badilino and record the process for his amusement, all in order to use the Spirit of Vengeance to make himself supreme.

Edited by ACW on Oct 30th 2021 at 11:34:58 AM

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#286238: Oct 30th 2021 at 8:35:25 AM

[tup] Another Nomura.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#286239: Oct 30th 2021 at 8:57:32 AM

I think Mad Scientist is a far better pothole for Hellgate. A huge part of his character is how he forsook the supernatural for science and he repeatedly tries to force these disturbed scientific notions of the power of the Spirit itself—it's why he tries to have Badilino dissected.

"Figure put his genetic makeup" needs to be "figure out" BTW. And maybe swap out the one use of "Ghost Rider" with "Vengeance."

Edited by Scraggle on Oct 30th 2021 at 9:58:47 AM

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#286240: Oct 30th 2021 at 9:07:01 AM

[tup] Nomura

So in order to make sure the thread doesn't get too overfilled with EPs, I've decided to split my Halloween plans into half. Two EPs today, with the remaining two tomorrow.

But with that said, let's have some fun with our good pal Freddy.

What Is the Work?

We all know Freddy vs. Jason, where two of horror’s biggest icons duke it out on the silver screen in 2003. But, did any of you know that this concept has been floating around since the late 80s? Yep, New Line Cinema had wanted to make a crossover movie for decades, and had dozens upon dozens of scripts written by dozens and dozens of writers that never went anywhere.

While the movie was eventually made, some of those scripts can be found online for everyone to see. So for this Halloween weekend, I’ll be looking at four of them for everyone’s pleasure. Witness the batshit insanity that never made it to celluloid. The scripts can be found on the bottom of this website.

Our first draft is Nightmare 13: Freddy Meets Jason. Written by Lewis Abernathy in the late 80s, this version centers around a group of teens led by Meagan, who are up against a sinister cult of Freddy Krueger worshippers who wish to resurrect their beloved child-killer with the help of Meagan’s young sister Lizzie. So to combat this, Meagan and friends reassemble Jason Voorhees ala Frankenstein to fight off Freddy and his cult. Wackiness ensues.

Who Is he?

Freddy Krueger is the commander of the Freddy cult, a group of Satanic punks who go around Elm St. killing people and causing mayhem, and who are so devoted to him that they burn their own flesh to match his skin.

What has he done?

Seeking to be reborn at full power in the mortal world, Freddy, through this cult, desires a virgin woman to be impregnated, where his soul will be transferred to the fetus. But he’s still able to regain his powers with the help of some dream demons, eel-like creatures that his cultists were able to recover by mentally torturing the captive Lizzie. Though he still needs to marry the young Lizzie so that he’ll be at full power.

Freddy kills Meagan’s friend Jesse in the hospital by causing his stomach to explode, playing into his fear of Black Bart for fun. Killing Meagan’s other friend Stormie with his deadly living boogers and sneezes that cause her to explode (I’m not even kidding), Freddy gets his cultists to shoot up a church and take Reverend Lovejoy (not that one) and his wife hostage, forcing them to wed Freddy and the drugged up Lizzie at the risk of killing them.

When Meagan crashes the wedding to tell Freddy to take her instead, Freddy happily accepts, dumping Meagan’s “retard sister” in the process. But once Jason crashes the wedding, he chases Freddy through a dream portal.

Inside, Jason and Freddy duke it out in a boxing ring, with Ted Bundy as the announcer, Lee Harvey Oswald as a spectator, and Benito Mussolini, Adolf Hitler, and Eva Braun as part of the audience. You really can’t make any of this up. It’s also revealed here that Freddy was the one who drowned the young Jason Voorhees, having originally been a Crystal Lake camp counselor as a teenager.

When Jason gains enough rage to overpower Freddy, the two end up back in the real world, now in a TV studio. Freddy’s able to teleport inside the studio’s transmitter, heading to the satellite dish so that he can teleport to any part of the world with the opportunity to kill anybody to his liking. But due to the collapsing roof tilting the dish, Freddy ends up being beamed not to the satellite, but the sun, where he goes out in a literal blaze of glory. Except not really, as the ending shows that he’s still alive and calls Meagan to tell her that he’ll see her in her dreams.

Redeeming Qualities?

It’s Freddy Krueger, people.

Heinousness?

The cult itself doesn’t really have a leader other than Freddy. There is one version of the script that did give them a definitive leader, but I can’t seem to find it.

Other than that, nobody can compared to Freddy.

Conclusion

Keeper

Edited by therealjackieboy on Oct 30th 2021 at 9:07:36 AM

It's Spooky Month!
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#286241: Oct 30th 2021 at 9:07:32 AM

[tup] Zofloya

[tup] Nomura

[tup] Freddy

[tup] Book! Gottfried

Edited by KazuyaProta on Oct 30th 2021 at 11:08:21 AM

Watch me destroying my country
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#286242: Oct 30th 2021 at 9:12:05 AM

Yes to Freddy, and I think with four (!!!!) incarnations upcoming (including this one), it may be time for a Nightmare page. We've got these 4; the New Line Cinema's Tales Of Horror duo; the two other comic Kruegers; TV!Krueger; and the 3 film incarnations. That makes 12 if I got everyone...only one of whom ISN'T Freddy.

EDIT: Also, Scraggle, this work?

Multiple Ghost Riders (Blaze; Ketch; "Vengeance")

  • Vol. 3 (primarily): Anton Hellgate is the Arch-Enemy of Michael Badilino—"Vengeance"—who admits Hellgate is one of the most depraved men he's ever fought. A Corrupt Corporate Executive who kills and resurrects his minions at his own whim, Hellgate has his fingers dipped in all sorts of crime, from systematically having cops trying to take him down murdered, to peddling immortal Super Soldiers to the gangs of Manhattan while murdering those who refuse to take his deal. Hellgate also attempts to murder the family of Johnny Blaze as a cheap distraction; orders his Psycho for Hire Chaum to massacre dozens of people just to get Vengeance's attention; and has Badilino agonizingly tortured to figure out his genetic makeup. Anton ultimately intends to dissect Badilino and record the process for his amusement, all in order to use the Spirit of Vengeance to make himself supreme.

Edited by ACW on Oct 30th 2021 at 12:14:40 PM

YobabyColin Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
#286243: Oct 30th 2021 at 9:13:19 AM

As someone who just saw the actual film last night, yes to another Freddy.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#286244: Oct 30th 2021 at 9:24:49 AM

Yes to Freddy, still avoiding Higurashi for spoilers and Terumi's entry is accurate: he's actually a Satanic being and that's his real name the writeup is starting with.

Yes to putting up Novel!Gottfried as well, great catch there on the silliness of the rule disqualifying him!

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#286245: Oct 30th 2021 at 9:31:11 AM

I mean if we're getting 12 a page will certainly be needed I will get started drafting that.

Also [tup] Freddy

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Oct 30th 2021 at 9:31:28 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#286247: Oct 30th 2021 at 9:40:31 AM

Yes to Nomura and Freddy. Yeah at twelve might be time to start a page. Even if like Halloween is mostly one character.

Quote options.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 30th 2021 at 11:45:43 AM

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#286248: Oct 30th 2021 at 9:42:12 AM

Possible quote:

"My children. From the very beginning, it was the children who gave me my power. The Springwood Slasher, that's what they called me. My reign of terror was legendary. Dozens of children would fall by my blades. Then the parents of Springwood came for me. Taking justice into their own hands. When I was alive, I might have been a little naughty, but after they killed me, I became something much, much worse. The stuff nightmares are made of. The children still feared me and their fear gave me the power to invade their dreams. And that's when the fun REALLY began. Until they figured out a way to forget about me. To erase me completely. Being dead wasn't a problem, but being forgotten, now that's a BITCH. I can't come back if nobody remembers me. I can't come back if nobody's afraid. I had to search the bowels of Hell, but I found someone, someone who'll make 'em remember. He may get the blood, but I'll get the glory, and that fear is my ticket home."
Freddy Krueger, Freddy vs. Jason

And this quote:

"Come down to the cellar. You wanna know who Fred Krueger was? He was a filthy child murderer who killed at least 20 kids in the neighborhood... kids we all knew."

Can be used as a caption for this:

Edited by ACW on Oct 30th 2021 at 12:42:24 PM

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#286249: Oct 30th 2021 at 9:44:44 AM

I prefer the first quote shows how truly monstrous Freddy is, no idea for the caption though.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#286250: Oct 30th 2021 at 9:50:12 AM

I like the first quote. For a caption how is this:

"His name is Freddy Krueger. He was a child murderer before he died, and after he died...well, he became something worse."

The only problem is that it's not from that scene, but it's actually from the film the image is.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 30th 2021 at 11:53:05 AM

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