During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
You ever attach your name to something on the discussion page that might not have a keeper, but you do it anyway because you’re a fan of said something? Well, let’s just say, sometimes it can pay off.
What Is the Work?
Metroid Dread is the latest installment in the Metroid mainline series 19 years in the making, and the conclusion of the franchise’s 35 year story arc involving the titular Metroids.
Taking place after the events of Fusion, galactic bounty hunter Samus Aran comes across a transmission video coming from the planet ZDR that shows a surviving X Parasite, which can take hold of any organism and mutate them into deadly creatures. Not wanting a repeat of what happened previously, Samus heads to the desolate ZDR.
Upon reaching the planet, Samus finds that it houses a colony of Chozo, a thought to be extinct species of bird-like aliens who had raised Samus after the death of her parents. But, Samus finds that these Chozo desire something far more insidious than anything she can imagine, and with a series of hostile killer robots known as E.M.M.I.s chasing after her, she’s certainly dealing with more than what she bargained for, but it’s nothing she can’t handle.
Who Is He?
Arshgar Behek, or as he’s known in English as Raven Beak, is a vile Chozo warrior who wants to rule the entire galaxy.
While he was previously hinted at in Metroid: Samus Returns, this game shows just how cruel he can be.
What has he done?
Raven Beak is the leader of the Mawkin Tribe, a clan of Chozo who refused to accept their race’s new peaceful ways of living. Having once been a warrior on the side of good who helped the peaceful Thoha tribe seal away the Metroids on the planet SR388 for being seen as a threat, upon finding out that the tribe wanted to destroy the entire planet in order to wipe out the Metroids for good, Raven Beak grew to desire the Metroids for their power, seeking to weaponized them so that he can become ruler of the galaxy.
In retaliation, Raven Beak chose to slaughter the entire Thoha tribe to obtain more power over the remaining Chozo, only sparing Quiet Robe to act as his personal scientist to help him better control the Metroids. As a result, the Metroids on SR388 would be discovered by not only the Galactic Federation, but also the Space Pirates under the rulership of Mother Brain. And if that wasn’t enough, the X Parasites, whom the Metroids were created by the Thoha tribe to combat, were able to multiply.
Yep, Raven Beak inadvertently caused the events of the entire franchise. Everything bad that happened, all the death and destruction caused by the Metroids and X Parasites, can all be traced back to this asshole.
In the present, Raven Beak bides his time by acting as ruler of the planet ZDR, though he’s not much better at doing that either. He imprisoned Kraid to be used as his abused slave, feeds his own soldiers to the monster Drogyga in order to scare his tribe into being loyal to him, and is particularly unfazed when one of his men is infected by an X parasite.
Despite the Metroids having gone extinct thanks to Samus and the Galactic Federation, Raven Beak finds another option: because Samus now has Metroid DNA inside of her after the events of Fusion, Raven Beak decides to extract said DNA from her to create an army of Metroid clones. Sending the transmission video to make her come to ZDR, Raven Beak hijacks the E.M.M.I. robots to hunt her down and extract her DNA. Raven Beak even poses as Samus’s trusty AI Adam, manipulating her into making her way to his ship to fully awaken her Metroid DNA, valuing her as a strong fighter in his upcoming Metroid army; this whole thing btw was planned after Raven Beak’s first encounter with the bounty hunter, taking note of her Metroid metamorphosis and allowing her to live because of that.
Having Quiet Robe killed upon finding out that he revealed several secrets to Samus, in order to even get Samus to awaken her Metroid powers, Raven Beak unleashes the contained X Parasites from their quarantine, having them spread all of ZDR, which leads to the deaths of his own tribesmen, with Raven Beak hardly caring.
But once Samus starts fighting back during their final confrontation, Raven Beak brags of how he has no use for her anymore, as he can just clone her once he’s through with her thanks to the help of the E.M.M.I.s. It’s during the fight where Raven Beak reveals to Samus that he is her father… technically. See, when Samus lived with the Chozo as a young girl, she was given Chozo DNA by numerous donators, with Raven Beak having been forced to donate his Mawkin genes to help give her the Chozo’s strength. Valuing Samus as nothing more than an asset for his plans, Raven Beak seeks to dispose of Samus, feeling there’s no use keeping her around anymore.
Upon Raven Beak’s defeat, he’s infected by an X Parasite, becoming a massive monster in the process. Luckily, Raven Beak’s cruelty helped Samus to unlock the full capabilities of her new Metroid powers, blasting a hyperbeam at Raven Beak until he and the X Parasite who took over his body are no more. Yep, Raven Beak is so bad, any trace of his DNA is wiped clean off the galaxy thanks to Samus.
Redeeming Qualities?
While he claims to be creating the Metroids to bring order to the galaxy, the fact that he’s such an amoral sociopath who only values power over others shows that his rhetoric is nothing but bullshit.
Other than that, zero. There’s nothing good that can be said about Raven Beak, who’s willing to use and discard Samus despite her technically being his daughter.
Heinousness?
Dude inadvertently started the entire franchise. Can’t get any more heinous than that. Aside from that, he’s responsible for mass murder, warmongering, killing his own kind, and for being a fucking dick.
What makes him so unique is that we’re shown all of his villainy. Unlike Mother Brain or Ridley, whose evil was only implied in the games due to their subdued storytelling and most of the lore being found in the instruction manuals, everything Raven Beak does is on full display, from his dialogue, to the in-game Chozo Archives, to numerous flashbacks.
What also makes him stand out is that, unlike the other members of the Chozo, who have retired from their days of being a warrior race to become a more benevolent one for the sake of preserving the livelihood of their people, Raven Beak decides to uphold their old habits by leading the Mawkins as a violent, narcissistic tyrant who will gladly wipe out his own kind for the sake of power. So even within the Chozo, he stands out tremendously.
The Metroid Prime keepers stay. They ain’t going nowhere.
Conclusion
Easy peasy keeper
It's Spooky Month!Lex Luthor sounds like a yes but I am wondering why he hasn't been approved yet considering this is a really well known story.
If it makes you think that he doesn't count somehow, then you're using it as an argument against him. It's a pretty large Distinction Without a Difference. Again, I got an OG Buffy keeper just a few months ago when this site started as a Buffy fan-site.
Yes to him and Raven.
It's not the fact he hasn't come up it's due to the fact Kingdom Come is a really well known Superman story and he hasn't come up despite that, let me say I am not downvoting him I am just slightly hesitant but I am leaning yes due it sounding like he counts from the EP.
Edited by Ordeaux26 on Oct 22nd 2021 at 2:24:47 AM
Alright, let me get one up...
What's the work?
Thanks to the magic of Tubi, I have now been cursed with the film The Undertaker, the final film starring Joe Spinnell of Maniac fame. This film is a mess and was in fact unfinished in Spinnell's lifetime. So, Spinnell plays Roscoe, an undertaker losing out on business and yeah, it's Roscoe.
Who is Roscoe?
A maniacally friendly and energetic fellow, Roscoe is an undertaker losing out on business. Who's also a perverted necrophiliac. And since this is a slasher, guess how he attempts to mitigate both of this? Roscoe begins stalking and murdering the shit out of people...which has the effect of satisfying his perverted urges and also giving him extra business....so, he begins killing a lot of people. Mostly women....the opening scene? He poses as good samaritan motorist, only to try to rape the woman he stops to help, tracks her down...is then on Roscoe's slab with her throat opened.
Roscoe kills in nasty ways for a slasher film, like tying one up and torturing her to death offscreen, while holding the bodies as mangled trophies in the bottom of his funeral home. Now, the hero of the film? Roscoe's nephew Nick who's staying with him and suspecting something, asks his anthropology teacher Pam, so they can expose Roscoe...who murders both and adds them to his collection.
Before he kills others investigating...Now, the end? It seems Roscoe's won and getting away with it. When the body of his nephew? Turns out to be not quite dead and manages to seize Roscoe around the throat, ending the film there with one of the most sudden comeuppances ever.
Mitigating issues?
For one slasher? Roscoe has a huge bodycount. He's a rapist...he's a necrophiliac and the film doesn't shy away from that. With...shockingly brutal tortures and kills (like pressing one woman's face into a hot frying pan)
Nothing to say here. No, Spinnell is as sleazy evil as ever.
Conclusion?
Easy keep from a terrible film.
to Raven Beak!
Also, I wonder if part or all of his speech can be used in the CM quote page...
"Did you truly believe you can defeat me? You overestimate yourself. You no longer serve any purpose. Even your Metroid DNA is no longer necessary. Do you want to know why? It is because I can now clone an army of the most powerful Metroid of all... Samus Aran. No one can stand in my way. Not even you. Foolish daughter... Leave the galaxy to me. Close your eyes and rest. Power... is everything."

Yeah, the thread is a maze, and the search feature is STILL janky.
Pending stuff:
Edited by ACW on Oct 22nd 2021 at 10:37:14 AM