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What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by nombretomado on Mar 31st 2020 at 8:15:08 AM

miraculous Hellblazer from South Africa
Hellblazer
Oct 13th 2021 at 3:33:11 PM

Uh maybe just make an other section for that one.

The others should fit fine in one section.

"My talent's for lying. For sticking the knife in when people least expect it. Then walking away with a smile and a wave. "
miraculous Hellblazer from South Africa
Hellblazer
Oct 13th 2021 at 3:33:17 PM

Edited by miraculous on Oct 13th 2021 at 3:33:39 AM

"My talent's for lying. For sticking the knife in when people least expect it. Then walking away with a smile and a wave. "
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.)
Oct 13th 2021 at 3:36:57 PM

Unless it's like how we have Justice League baddies on the main DC page instead of Batman/Superman??

CM Drafts; Pending CM Writeups
Oct 13th 2021 at 3:37:09 PM

So just a note for the future, but Wo W is starting to do with Adaptational Self-Defense with Queen Azshara, yes the Omnicidal Maniac and racist tyrant.

For refrence, Warcraft Chronicles retconned Azshara attacking the Zandalari empire so she could selfishly expand her land to the Zandalar attacking her for no reason forcing Azshara to fight back and thus take their land. It also seems like the writers justifying colonialism

And a big cinematic (seen here), particularly its official description, implied Azshara was worried that her people would drown when her city sunk. This is again a pretty big Retcon as in prior lore she laughed at the deaths of her people.

So whilst she is not a cut right now, its possible she might be in the future.

Slightly offtopic, but I'm really not fond of Warcraft currently doubling down on Always Lawful Good and Always Chaotic Evil, particularly as the latter races are racially coded such as the Zandalar having Jamaican accents, using Mayincatec architecture and worshipping Voodoo

Oct 13th 2021 at 4:25:35 PM

[tup]Wang & Hark

[up]Honestly I'm still shocked WoW is still a thing.

Whole world is garbage. Also, garbage is delicious.
Oct 13th 2021 at 4:26:25 PM

Yes to Hark, nay to the Bloodlines baddie

Aight, so for as much as I hate this one, I'm gonna follow up on Lighty cutting a sociopathic comicbook businessman with a psychopathic green-skinned counterpart from Marvel....I have to go about cutting a sociopathic comicbook businessman with a psychopathic green-skinned counterpart from DC!

From Batman Beyond...Blight.

  • Derek Powers, CEO of Powers Technology, eventually devolves into the psychotic supervillain Blight after a radioactive accident. Before his accident, Powers cheerfully attempts to sell a bioweapon, that horrifically reduces its victims to ash, to terrorists who would use it on wider scales, unnerving even the Kaznian diplomat after he exposes an employee to it purely to demonstrate its effects. Powers becomes the Arch-Enemy of the second Batman, Terry McGinnis, after Powers has Terry's father murdered and the Jokerz framed for it. Powers's deteriorating sanity from the accident only accentuates the monster he is inside, as he experiments on and then attempts to kill Mr. Freeze to harvest his organs; disinherits and then flat-out attempts to murder his own son Paxton; and, upon his vengeful return in the comics, attempts to initiate a nuclear meltdown, heedless of all the downtrodden lives this would consume. Powers has ruined so many lives in the name of self-interest his only reply to Terry's accusation that You Killed My Father is to snarl "do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?!"

So, in the original cartoon, Blight is utterly irredeemable, but questionably lacking in heinousness...in the tie-in comics from the early 2000s, though, Blight is given some extra crimes that push him over.

Here's the thing...in 2011-ish, Volume 4 of Batman Beyond released, and it pretty damn explicitly follows the original series and serves as a continuation. In it, Blight returns from his apparent death in the show, having gone a bit more off his rocker than normal...and he gains an ally, Dr. French, that saves his life after the events of his final episode in the show, and though Blight shouts at him and even smacks him away at one point for trying to talk Blight down in a rampage....when French is actually wounded? Blight completely flips out, screaming his name and attacking Batman while ranting "You've taken everything else from me, you won't take my only friend, too!"

It's....tough because this comic has released around a decade after the show, but it's explicitly a continuation of Blight's story in the original show and it showcases him having a, for all intents and purposes, genuine feeling towards his new partner French, who he seems genuinely attached to after the dude saved his life. Sad cut, methinks.

Edited by Ravok on Oct 13th 2021 at 4:26:49 AM

I'm a frog! And I'm feeling fresh!
Ordeaux26 The Starscream from Minecraft Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Oct 13th 2021 at 4:33:32 PM

Man Blight would be a really sad one to lose it almost makes me want to treat the comics as non-canon but I am not sure if we can, I will probably just abstain.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Oct 13th 2021 at 4:34:32 AM

DreamWorks MB's
Oct 13th 2021 at 4:33:41 PM

Cut Derek powers, and thereís another monster given a mitigating factor completely out of nowhere, Iím not gonna say cut Azshara yet but if thatís the case then we have another out of nowhere mitigating factor that completely retcons the character.

Edited by Mediawatcher on Oct 13th 2021 at 4:38:20 AM

Oct 13th 2021 at 4:34:40 PM

sociopathic comicbook businessman

...Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?

In seriousness, a sad cut to Blight.

Scraggle I'm just a teenage dirtbag, baby from Calgary Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
I'm just a teenage dirtbag, baby
Oct 13th 2021 at 4:34:47 PM

Sadly, the comics are in very explicit continuity with the show. Even if he only developed a redeeming quality under the stress of insanity caused by nuclear degeneration, it's still a redeeming quality, more feeling than he even showed for his own son.

So...sadly, cut Blight.

I got two tickets to Iron Maiden, baby / Come with me Friday, don't say maybe / I'm just a teenage dirtbag, baby, like you...
Oct 13th 2021 at 4:35:51 PM

cut Blight

@nwotyzal

I don't play WOW but really enjoy the Warcraft lore (at least the old one) so I don't think it's that surprising. There are millions of people who simply like the characters and the world Blizzard has created. I personally hope that they will return to RTS games and make a Warcraft 4. I am also hoping for another live-action Warcraft movie.

Edited by WatTambor on Oct 13th 2021 at 2:37:11 PM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom from FIFA Headquarters Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
The Draftsman of Doom
Oct 13th 2021 at 4:45:51 PM

Cut Blight.

It ain't easy being green.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Oct 13th 2021 at 7:49:50 AM

Apparently good at finding money.
43110 And you will shed tears of scarlet. from Mars Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
And you will shed tears of scarlet.
Oct 13th 2021 at 4:46:49 PM

Well that fucking sucks. RIP dear Blight, you will be missed!

At least the show still has it's other CM... you know, that psychologist guy!

Edited by 43110 on Oct 13th 2021 at 7:48:32 AM

Pending MB writeups MB Drafts MB Dates
MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object Relationship Status: Seeking boyfriend-free girl
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
MasterN The Plasma King from Florida- I mean Unova Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The Plasma King
Oct 13th 2021 at 4:48:22 PM

How heavy is the implication that she cares for her people? If it is particularly strong, we may have to cut her as well.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Beast from Ontario, Canada Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
Oct 13th 2021 at 4:48:55 PM

Cut him I guess.

Misread the post

Edited by Beast on Oct 13th 2021 at 4:51:01 AM

"Being around you makes me do stupid things."
Oct 13th 2021 at 4:52:29 PM

[up][up] I have watched this cinematic and it's VERY heavy but I am not really sure if the cinematic itself is canon. Lighty and Lore are more familiar with current Warcraft lore than me.

MasterN The Plasma King from Florida- I mean Unova Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
The Plasma King
Oct 13th 2021 at 4:53:40 PM

How can the canonicity be determined, then?

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
43110 And you will shed tears of scarlet. from Mars Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
And you will shed tears of scarlet.
Oct 13th 2021 at 4:58:44 PM

Wasn't she the one we were asked to table until her arc was really and truly through or was that another WoW villain?

Pending MB writeups MB Drafts MB Dates
Oct 13th 2021 at 5:02:03 PM

That was Sylvanas and she doesn't keep because recently she pulled a redemption arc and turned against the current big bad.

If we determine that Azshara's cinematic is canon we would have to cut her. While she is drowning she even tells herself when she sees her dead people "My people!" and she tells herself "This is my fault!" and then she starts having hallucinations that her people are attacking her and she screams "No, this is not the deal I made!" I didn't bring up this cinematic earlier because I had assumed that it's not canon. So, let's wait for Lighty or Lore before we make a decision.

Edited by WatTambor on Oct 13th 2021 at 3:08:01 PM

Oct 13th 2021 at 5:15:56 PM

We have literal direct insight to Azshara's mind from past works. She was willing to sell said people to demons and cares nothing for them....she sees countless Naga dead without batting an eye over it.

We're fine right now.

Oct 13th 2021 at 5:20:11 PM

It's been brought up before with the Warbringers video. Here's the whole thing, and around 4:30 you see her sell out her people to an Eldritch Abomination.

Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.
G-Editor Crow Rick from Where Two Crows go Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Oct 13th 2021 at 5:31:39 PM

[up][up] To be fair, if she hadn't done it, her people would have drowned, so I don't think this subverts her redeeming quality.

However, if we don't treat this cinematic as canon, she is fine to stay.


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