During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.
IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.
When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "
to everyone I missed").
No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.
We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.
What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
A big Yes and "good job" to the remaining of STAR's candidates from the Hex comic with aliens and Bad Future tyrants
Sure to Izuma as well, mainly for the sketchy canonicity
Wonder Woman may well need a page but this is not a decision to be made unilaterally after someone just says "maybe that's a good idea", then the usual eagerness displayed by certain Tropers kicks in to try to push it through without any further consultation to the thread. I honestly barely see the point myself—even if we really reach for it, it's only coming in at 11 examples, most of which are spread out enough across pages that I don't really feel like the need is there. This isn't like how Hex would have a massive ungainly tree to look at on the main DC comics page: Wonder Woman has a couple in Pre and Post-Crisis, then the rest are in Elseworlds, animation, etc.
Regardless of if we decide the page is needed, I don't like the typical eagerness and desire to bring one up, then moments after one person chimes in, the page gets made and we just act like the decision's been made.
Edited by Ravok on Oct 6th 2021 at 10:26:24 AM
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!Yes to Toshiki, Jean-Claude, Borsten, Tanisako, and Xxggs.
I would be fine with a WW page.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread![]()
That is a somewhat fair point, though I don't really see the argument when we have as many as we do most franchises will get one when it reaches 9. It will also help to take a burden off the main DC page when has an insane amount of examples.
Maybe I could have waited a bit longer but I didn't expect anyone would have an issue as it seemed really needed to me, this wasn't really eagerness.
Edited by Ordeaux26 on Oct 6th 2021 at 10:22:31 AM
I can take or leave a WW page, I'm in really no rush for one.
Also just finished watching V/H/S/94, and will happily discuss it to anyone via PM.
Edited by therealjackieboy on Oct 6th 2021 at 10:38:08 AM
It's Spooky Month!Posting my first submission ever, I hope to make it right.
What is the Work
Series/Slasher in an anthology series that, as the title suggests, focuses on the slasher genre, updating its tropes to the current day. Each season focuses on a different masked serial killer targeting people who are generally linked to a past crime. It already has a Complete Monster entry with Iain Vaughn from Season 1.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
I hope that suggesting more than one character in a single post won't cause troubles. Here they are:
- Guilty Party: Benny Ironside. Prior to the events of the season, he murdered his former cellmate Glenn Morgan (whom he'd been obsessed about while in prison) when the latter expressed his desire to cut ties with him, implying that their relation hadn't been consensual. The prison flashbacks also imply that Benny had targeted other prisoners as well. Benny then took Glenn's van and joined the We Live As One community using the latter's name. When Noah, one of the newcomers, comes close to the truth, Benny kidnaps him in an abandones bus in the woods, where he rapes him. When Noah escapes and gathers the rest of the community against him, Benny tries to kill Renee and Judith before being stopped, and later taunts Renee about her friend Antoine's death.
- Solstice: Wyatt. He was the first Druid and, despite only killing two people, he did it in particularly brutal ways, motivated only by jealousy and possessiveness. He stalked Kit Jennings (the man his girlfriend Noelle was cheating on him with) and stabbed him multiple times, a murder which triggered the events of the season. One year later, he captures Noelle and ties her upside down to a tree, then proceeds to cut her throat and let her bleed to death. Arrested, he never expresses any kind of guilt for his crimes, and hopes to obtain Fame Through Infamy in prison.
- Flesh & Blood: Along with Wyatt, Dr. Persephone Trinh (aka the Gentleman) is the only masked killer without sympathetic elements and her body count is much higher. Already a murderous psychopath before the events of the season, she was hired by Spencer Galloway to "weed out" the weak elements in his family but, while he had at least one mitigating factor in the sincere love for his first wife, Trinh shows no sympathy nor loyalty. Rather than give Spencer the peaceful death by assisted suicide he asked for, she injects his IV with acid. Hiding under a facade of professionalism (and later faking her own death), she follows the dangerous games set up for the inheritors, stalking the losers and killing them in gruesome, often slow ways. Her worst actions include: gutting Merle (who wasn't part of the family and was only in a relation with Spencer's second wife) in an unnecessarily prolonged way, cutting Seamus's corpse in two and hanging the upper half in his room, scaring his innocent wife Christy (who isn't a contestant for the inheritance), and letting Christy die by doing nothing to stop Aphra. Once she's unmasked by the survivors, she gleefully admits her crime before trying to kill them as well. Even after she's death, her actions are implied to have taken a toll on Sole Survivor Liv's sanity, meaning that Trinh could be indirectly responsible for a new cycle of familial abuse.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
- Benny: No excuses. The only mitigating factor could have been a sincere love for Glenn, but it's quickly made clear that it was one-sided and probably not consensual.
- Wyatt: No excuses nor mitigating factors.
- Trinh: She kills some horrible people, but she's doing it out of sadism and in fact has no qualms about letting innocent guests (Christy) or people with a chance at redemption (Merle, Seamus, Birgit) meet a gruesome fate.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
- Benny: Rape is treated very seriously in the series (Vaughn is a prime example) and it's made clear how deeply it affects even an attempeted rapist like Noah.
- Wyatt: He only kills two people but the deaths have an impact on the story and are shown in all their brutality. He also really shows how satisfied he is with what he's done, and it's clear that he's nothing but an entitled stalker turned murderer. He stands out in a series full of Hate Sinks because he is actively violent (differently from Charlie) and cares about no one else (at least Violet had some degree of affection towards Joe).
- Trinh: She manages to stand out in a family of backstabbing monsters. Horrible people like Spencer and Florence at least seem to care about one other relative, she cares about no one. She's also the only main antagonist so far without any tragic backstory or sympathetic motivation.
Final Verdict?
These characters are the worst that each season has to offer. I think that standing out in a series where murder is the norm for each episode makes them all eligible.
Welcome to the thread! Trinh was actually voted up just a few days ago, so you're on the ball there.
The first two villains, unfortunately, I'm more inclined to say no to on account of the fact there are a lot of nasty, unsympathetic characters throughout the series. Vaughn, IMO, edges out the first guy because he kept a girl as a sex slave for years alongside one murder and two more attempted. Likewise, Wyatt's two murders I don't think are exceptional compared to the serial killers of each season.
Depending on how much they're actually leaning on the implication that he's a Serial Rapist, I could maybe be convinced on Benny considering the comparative rareness of rape in the setting, but I don't think Wyatt counts and I'm still inclined to say Vaughn is nastier than Benny.
Edited by Scraggle on Oct 6th 2021 at 11:54:26 AM
So, for my Code Geass villain and the first today: an update for Luciano Bradley.
Who is Luciano Bradley?
One of the elite Knights of the round who serve Britannia, Luciano is the Knight of Ten, known as "The Vampire Of Britannia." Luciano is a racist thug of a Knight who is strongly indicated to be deployed to places of conflict where he gets a kick out of slaughtering "inferiors" and purging civilians, with not even his own allies safe from him. As vicious as he is, Luciano has gained a reputation as a "Homicide Genius"...introduced casually chucking a knife at Suzaku and mocking the dead Princess Euphemia, Luciano later corners Kallen of the Black Knights and attempts to rape her as an "expendable" hostage. Stopped by arrival of fellow knight Gino. It's revealed Luciano has signed up for one reason in Tokyo: mass murder.
Engaging in the battle of Tokyo, he tries to blow up a ship of the Black Knights and makes it clear that he wants to absolutely raze Tokyo to ash, every member of the 35 million strong city? Luciano intends to land and kill to his heart's content while also engaging the pilots, Luciano reveals how he kills enemies in combat: slowly. He plucks the limbs of their Frames off, mocking them and making the end agonizing as possible.
Luciano's reign of terror is ended by Kallen at the end, out-fighting him in the battle of Tokyo and overloading his Frame as she repeats his own lines back to him....as Luciano dies screaming and ranting, in agony and terror.
Any mitigating issues?
Not even close. Luciano is a thug in a Frame, but he's basically the Ali al-Saachez of the show. Luciano's saism, violence, attempted rape, and attempted genocide? In addition to how much he's done before, with him implicitly doing this stuff on the regular?
There's not a single thing good to him. Luciano is only in it for kills and thrills.
Conclusion?
An easy keeper.
And a yep for Luciano
I don't mean to sound impatient, but can I get more votes on Mack and Terry
please?
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I kinda figured, no biggie, just wanted to make sure it didn't get buried
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Oct 6th 2021 at 2:35:31 PM
BTW, is the current writeup good for Bradley, or is an expansion coming?
- R2: The psychotic Luciano Bradley is the most despicable member of the elite Britannian Knights of the Round. Joining the group solely so he can kill combatants and civilians alike, Luciano shows even more depravity towards a captured Kallen Kozuki, implying he plans to rape her before being stopped by fellow Knight of the Round, Gino Weinberg. Participating in an assault on Japan, Luciano delights in the chance to massacre everyone in sight with racist glee. A man with loyalty to none, Luciano also takes any chance he can to murder his own men if they get in his way, gleeful at the chance to take any life.
Thanks everyone for welcoming me! I understand that Slasher sets a very high bar when it comes to heinousness, and I definitely agree that Trinh is the most egregious of the group. I hope that her entry will remark her apathy about the degree of guilt of the people she kills and/or allows to die (people like Christy or O'Keeffe surely wouldn't have been targeted by the killers in past seasons), along with how sadistic and creative the murders are.
And my
is for Mack and Terry.
Edited by Cring1 on Oct 6th 2021 at 11:40:56 AM

Actually, it's back to 11...I'm copying the Justice Riders one to her page.
Though I guess we can remove all the Earth One stuff from the main DC page now.
Edited by ACW on Oct 6th 2021 at 12:50:03 PM