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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#279726: Sep 18th 2021 at 7:28:30 AM

Switching to [tdown] to Jack and Robert.

TheImmortalAngelNewton The MILF Virus Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The MILF Virus
#279727: Sep 18th 2021 at 7:43:58 AM

Well that's a shame, my mistake.

Allow me, take my hand and never let go, promise? - Giselle
YobabyColin Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
#279728: Sep 18th 2021 at 8:07:01 AM

Switching to no for Jack and Robert.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#279729: Sep 18th 2021 at 8:09:01 AM

Though I ask again: Can these 2 be consolidated?

  • Hitman (2016)'s "Patient Zero": Oybek Nabazov, the leader of Liberation, is a man deeply obsessed with death, suicide and rebirth. Over the last three decades he has founded several cults, led them down a self-destructive path that resulted in seven mass suicides, leaving the remains behind to start anew. When the former virologist Owen Cage helped the cult create a deadly virus, Nabazov intended to have some of his most fanatical followers inject themselves with the virus to cause several outbreaks around the globe in a coordinated attack. When Agent 47 arrives in Bangkok to assassinate him, he has begun brainwashing a new group of unaware cult recruits with the intention of having them spread the virus to Bangkok and beyond.
  • Hitman (2016)'s "Patient Zero": Sister Yulduz, the "chosen sister", is the second-in-command of the Liberation cult. Pretending to be a devout follower of Nabazov she helped organizing the cult attacks, while secretly having invested large amounts of money into security and pharmacy companies to profit from the chaos caused by the virus outbreaks. Showing no loyalty towards Nabazov or the cult, she already made plans to escape and leave them to their fates as soon as they begin their attacks.

EDIT: Also, whoa, CSI's returning.

Edited by ACW on Sep 18th 2021 at 11:16:14 AM

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
NTG Since: Aug, 2014
#279731: Sep 18th 2021 at 8:38:12 AM

[up][up]Yes, I think they can be consolidated. Should I give it a try?

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#279732: Sep 18th 2021 at 8:46:39 AM

Please do. I think you proposed them in the first place anyway.

And normally I wouldn't mind too much, except it makes the tree look a bit odd.

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#279733: Sep 18th 2021 at 9:29:23 AM

[tup] to Roman

[tdown] to the Procurers

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
clemont107 Taunie from Lumiose City, Kalos (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
Taunie
#279734: Sep 18th 2021 at 9:32:16 AM

Switching to [tdown] for the procurers.

"Great, now this gal named Dawn is stalking me and complaining about no Sinnoh Megas! It's getting on my nerves!" - Taunie
papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#279735: Sep 18th 2021 at 9:42:07 AM

Easy yes to Roman no to the procurers

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#279737: Sep 18th 2021 at 10:16:11 AM

[tup] to Roman Armitage.

[tdown] to Jack Roe and Robert Burk.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#279738: Sep 18th 2021 at 10:21:36 AM

No to the producers but a happy yes for Roman! Good job getting to that one man!

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#279739: Sep 18th 2021 at 10:29:53 AM

The pending stuff (not including Evil Dead):

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#279740: Sep 18th 2021 at 10:30:41 AM

Horen is written up. I'm just checking the grammar and spelling in the thread before posting here.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#279741: Sep 18th 2021 at 10:33:46 AM

Switching to a no on Procruters.

Welcome to the world of greatest media!
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#279742: Sep 18th 2021 at 10:36:08 AM

[up][up][up] I can give you Brainiac later, but we’re gonna need a DCUO folder for everything to go at once - Unknown and I haven’t finished the game yet but we’re already looking at six (maybe seven) from the game itself

Roman… I don’t know, something still doesn’t quite feel right. Don’t get me wrong, I can happily dismiss any care for his close family and wife for the reasons you listed, but there’s also the bit with his extended family, greeting them with open arms and hugs when they show up. I’d normally dismiss it if there weren’t specific attention drawn to it for foreshadowing - of course he’d be more close to them than a housekeeper, he’s their patriarch. Plus there’s the weird moment with Rose where he overcompliments her (over the line? Top of the line? A real doggone keeper?) that’s also meant to foreshadow his closer relationship to the family (though it’s creepy and weird enough that it can probably be overlooked). I dunno, I’m probably overthinking it (not like he’s a complex character) but with two different moments he doesn’t specifically subvert like he does with his wife, I can’t quite say yes - I don’t mind if he goes up cause he is fucking vile, but count me as an abstain.

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Sep 18th 2021 at 1:43:41 PM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#279743: Sep 18th 2021 at 10:43:45 AM

  • Get Out!: Roman Armitage, the family's grandfather, is the source of all the misery that the Order of the Coagula is responsible for. A track-and-field athlete who lost against legendary black athlete Jesse Owens in the '36 Olympics, Roman nursed the subsequent grudge for decades and let it transform into a form of loathsome racism that convinced him white people were owed the so-called "advantages" of a black body. Subsequently, Roman devised the Coagula procedure, conditioned his entire family into a cult to auction off their method to potential buyers, then transferred his mind into the family's groundskeeper. Roman spends almost the entire movie inconspicuously running laps in the Armitages' backyard, with the happy knowledge his procedure is dooming countless black men and women to be trapped within their own bodies within the "Sunken Place," helplessly forced to watch every moment as Roman's white clients steal their lives and bodies.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#279744: Sep 18th 2021 at 10:51:03 AM

Roman goes before Rose? I'm guessing she still counts, and those 2 are the only keepers.

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#279745: Sep 18th 2021 at 10:52:12 AM

Rose can stay since she still functions in a nasty niche with her continued interest in selecting victims for the operation.

Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#279746: Sep 18th 2021 at 10:56:21 AM

Just wanted to put it out there that White Snake (2019), whose villain I put up earlier this year, received a sequel, White Snake 2: The Tribulation of the Green Snake. I haven't been able to get a hold of it, so just brought it up in case anyone else is interested.

Why so serious?
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#279747: Sep 18th 2021 at 10:59:10 AM

As for DCUO, personally I say we do Brainiac now and then we can do the actual game examples when you guys finish the game, and then we can create a separate folder then.

Awesomekid42 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
#279748: Sep 18th 2021 at 11:16:47 AM

Oh, Roman's going up? Missed the EP. I thought he cared about his family.

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#279749: Sep 18th 2021 at 11:18:45 AM

Your wish is my command!

  • DC Universe Online Legends: Brainiac is as narcissistic and destructive as always. Having already conquered and destroyed the Earth in the future timeline, alongside thousands of other planets, the present Brainiac introduces himself by destroying the Watchtower and intending for the debris to crash into Metropolis, killing one million people. While helping Lex Luthor with his vendetta against Superman, he ultimately forces Superman to murder his own wife Lois, driving him into isolation. Briefly held back by the Justice League, Brainiac massacres the Sinestro Corps and steals their central power battery to recharge himself; unleashes his army of enslaved aliens onto Earth to wipe out humanity; forces Lex to attack and kill the heroes with his own armor just to torment his former ally; and massacres his own allies when he believes he has the upper hand.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#279750: Sep 18th 2021 at 11:23:38 AM

And Mir, mind writing up Horen?


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