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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

SumDumNerd LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED from [REDACTED] Since: May, 2017 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED
#279201: Sep 14th 2021 at 4:04:32 PM

[tup] Entity and F&F

Edited by SumDumNerd on Sep 14th 2021 at 5:04:40 AM

Read Slender Man vs Siren Head 2: The Foundation here
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#279202: Sep 14th 2021 at 4:05:51 PM

[tup] First; also just got finished watching Straight Outta Nowhere. PM me on the film if you have any questions.

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#279203: Sep 14th 2021 at 4:36:25 PM

Easy yes to the First and Foremost, great job!

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#279204: Sep 14th 2021 at 4:54:28 PM

Yes to First and Foremost. Now, to wrap up The Man from Nowhere stuff I'm thinking Jong-seok himself could use a little sprucing on his entry:

  • Jong-seok is the younger brother, and junior partner, of drug dealer Man-seok. While the latter cares about the former's well-being, Jong-seok only cares about having as good a time as possible. He's physically abusive to the women he sleeps with; tortures Jeon So-mi's mother by burning her with a blow dryer—then kidnaps So-mi for their organ harvesting operation—tortures her mother's boyfriend by beating him and threatening to burn off his testicles; and sends Ramrowan to sadistically murder their former boss, Mr. Oh. When a little girl involved in their drug operation passes out, Jong-seok has her dragged off so her organs can be harvested and sold. Jong-seok even uses his last moments alive to brag to Cha Tae-sik about how he has failed So-mi as badly as the Seok brothers have.

His "physical abuse" of the women he sleeps with amounts to him shoving one of the girls with him at the club once. There are other things to mention like the scope of the organ selling business and So-mi's mom's boyfriend was a total Asshole Victim case given the guy threatened her to take more than half the earnings from the heroin. The last sentence isn't quite accurate, his last moments are spent begging for his life, he does mock Tae-sik close enough to his end though so I'm fine with it staying personally.

  • Jong-seok is the younger brother and junior partner of the crime lord Man-seok. While his icy older brother may care for his well-being, Jong-seok only cares about having as good a time as possible. Sent to recover drugs stolen by So-mi's mother, Jong-seok sadistically tortures her with a blow dryer and then kidnaps the mother and daughter, killing the woman to traffic her organs and having the girl brought into the brothers' drug ring using children as runners. After he and Man-seok betray their former boss Jong-seok sends their bloodthirsty mercenary Ramorowan to sadistically murder him and his remaining followers. When a little girl involved in their drug operation passes out, Jong-seok has her dragged off so her organs can be harvested and sold, as they have done to countless others. Jong-seok even uses his last moments alive to brag to Cha Tae-sik about how he has failed So-mi as badly as the Seok brothers have.

Thoughts?

Edited by 43110 on Sep 14th 2021 at 10:12:37 AM

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#279205: Sep 14th 2021 at 5:01:43 PM

First and Foremost has got to be one of the weirdest names I have seen on a CM but [tup].

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#279206: Sep 14th 2021 at 5:14:05 PM

BTW let's not do another convo about weird CM names, we've done it several times before.

Edited by nwotyzal on Sep 14th 2021 at 6:04:08 AM

Trashman91 Since: Oct, 2018
#279207: Sep 14th 2021 at 5:36:05 PM

Here's a potential quote from an item description in Dark Souls III:

Aldrich, infamous for his appetite for flesh, apparently had the desire to share with others his joy of imbibing the final shudders of life while luxuriating in his victim's screams.
—Description of Aldrich's Ruby, Dark Souls III

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#279208: Sep 14th 2021 at 5:40:45 PM

Yes to bear head guy.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#279209: Sep 14th 2021 at 5:47:48 PM

NWOT, please don't threaten other tropers like that. It has no purpose whatsoever.

  • Tin Man:
    • The Witch of the Dark, the real "wicked witch," is the Ancient Evil possessing Azkedellia and the one behind all the misfortune in the series. When DG and Azkedellia, young heirs to the throne of Oz, accidentally unearthed the Witch from her seal, the Witch promptly possessed Azkedellia and tried to make her murder her own sister. As the years pass, the Witch turns Azkedellia into a despot who twists the O.Z. into a hellish dystopia where innocents are tortured and murdered every day. Unsatisfied with what she's done to the O.Z., the Witch plans to force a permanent eclipse over the O.Z., leading to The Night That Never Ends and the subsequent death of all life within the O.Z.
    • Zero, The Dragon to Azkedellia, is a cruel sadist lacking in his master's redeeming qualities. Zero is responsible for the Dark and Troubled Past of "tin man" Wyatt Cain; Zero tortured Cain's wife and son, murdered his wife, then slammed Cain into an immobile metal suit while Forced to Watch a recording of his family's torture played on loop, for eight years straight. When Cain confronts Zero, Zero is totally remorseless and shoots Cain in the heart while gloating about what he did to Cain's family.

  • Emerald City Confidential: The First and Foremost Phanfasm, the Card-Carrying Villain in charge of Phanfasm Island, plunged the Emerald City into a brutal war which was only stopped when Ozma conceded William, a human prisoner—also the brother of the game's protagonist, Petra—for the First to condition as a spy. Twenty years later, in defiance of the peace treaty, the First tries to plunge Oz into another war for the pleasure of mass-murdering the innocent and taking power for its own sake. When William challenges the First's attempted execution of Queen Ozma, the First tries to kill William as well.

Edited by Scraggle on Sep 14th 2021 at 6:49:30 AM

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#279210: Sep 14th 2021 at 6:03:39 PM

[up]Sorry, I edited the orignal to be less threatening.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#279211: Sep 14th 2021 at 6:13:23 PM

Also submitting approval for the Man From Nowhere rewrite.

RobertTYL Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#279212: Sep 14th 2021 at 6:27:26 PM

Yes to the Wattpad fanfic guys, the indie game villain, F Irst and Foremost

RIP guy from youtube

DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#279213: Sep 14th 2021 at 8:03:45 PM

[tup] to the Jong-seok rewrite and the Aldrich quote.

SumDumNerd LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED from [REDACTED] Since: May, 2017 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
ASghhrv6ub Best Smile from Second star to the right. Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Best Smile
#279215: Sep 14th 2021 at 8:56:40 PM

[tup]Mark Miles, Obsidian, Scarlet, Entity, First and Foremost.

Sorry to hear that Michael.

RIP Norm.

I am the one, I am the one, the godlike terror train, superior artificial brain, feel free to call me Blaine
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#279216: Sep 14th 2021 at 9:19:58 PM

Late yes to the First and Foremost!

TiMBer1566 kittykat from Virginia Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
kittykat
#279217: Sep 14th 2021 at 10:20:43 PM
Thumped: This post was thumped by the Stick of Off-Topic Thumping. Stay on topic, please.
RobertTYL Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#279218: Sep 14th 2021 at 11:01:57 PM

Found this at random. The Sword and the Sorcerer

While the first one is approved, anyone have to say about the second?

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#279220: Sep 14th 2021 at 11:23:03 PM

[tup] Miles, Obsidian, Scarlet, Entity and First and Foremost

jjjj2 from Arrakis Since: Jul, 2015
#279221: Sep 14th 2021 at 11:36:43 PM

[up]x3 The first one was approved. It was added by this threads curator. The second one was not. Chop away and in the edit reason direct them to this thread.

You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#279222: Sep 15th 2021 at 12:06:25 AM

[tup] to Lieutenant Obsidia, Scarlet Spiker, the Entity, First and Foremost Phanfasm.

RIP Norm McDonald.

Sorry to hear about your friend Michael.

Edited by MGD107 on Sep 15th 2021 at 12:07:03 PM

DrScavenge27 Since: Jul, 2020
#279223: Sep 15th 2021 at 12:09:01 AM

[tup] to Timmy Kirk, Entity and F&F.

DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#279224: Sep 15th 2021 at 1:18:20 AM

@TiMBer1566: I'd be willing to reserve and give it a read.

TiMBer1566 kittykat from Virginia Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
kittykat
#279225: Sep 15th 2021 at 4:27:37 AM

DrUnknown: Thank you.


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