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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#279176: Sep 14th 2021 at 2:11:59 PM

[up][up] Can we keep the potholes the same?

CapitanoNox Lord of Space from Italy Since: Oct, 2018 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Lord of Space
#279177: Sep 14th 2021 at 2:13:18 PM

What do you mean?

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#279178: Sep 14th 2021 at 2:13:35 PM

That was a question to Crow about Coyle's writeup, not yours.

CapitanoNox Lord of Space from Italy Since: Oct, 2018 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#279180: Sep 14th 2021 at 2:15:24 PM

@ACW Of course, I'll get to it.

CapitanoNox Lord of Space from Italy Since: Oct, 2018 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Lord of Space
#279181: Sep 14th 2021 at 2:16:05 PM

How does mine look?

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#279182: Sep 14th 2021 at 2:16:14 PM

Actually, I got it: I used Card-Carrying Villain for his name, and re-added Snuff Film.

I also used Soft-Spoken Sadist for Kirk's name.

Can someone please add the Entity's shorter entry to the Drafts?

Edited by ACW on Sep 14th 2021 at 5:16:46 AM

CapitanoNox Lord of Space from Italy Since: Oct, 2018 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#279184: Sep 14th 2021 at 2:21:20 PM

Saying yes to the Entity.

Next Oz guy! This one comes from a point-and-click mystery game called Emerald City Confidential, which is basically Oz noir. Our candidate is the First and Foremost Phanfasm.

Who is the First and Foremost? What has he done?

Some backstory first—twenty years ago, Oz and the neighboring kingdom of the Phanfasms (an almost-Always Chaotic Evil race with animal heads—in the First's case, he has a bear head) were embroiled in a terrible war where "dozens were dying every day." The one who spearheaded this war was the First and Foremost Phanfasm, who sought to conquer Oz. The First and Foremost only relented when Oz turned over a prisoner over to them—William, the protagonist Petra's brother. All's well that ends well, right?

Well, turns out the First isn't really so keen on upholding his word. For twenty years the First conditioned and lied to William, telling him he was a Phanfasm with a human head, and used him as a Tyke-Bomb spy in Oz, preparing for the day he launches a second war and destroy Oz for good this time. The mystery that unravels throughout the game eventually builds up to Petra, William, and Queen Ozma being captured by the First himself. The First kicks the dog by revealing to Petra that Queen Ozma knew the truth about William the whole time, deciding to prolong their execution to let that fact torment Petra, and promising Ozma he's going to kill every last soldier on the field before laying all Oz to waste.

The First and Foremost eventually tries to execute Ozma by throwing her into a pool of lava, and when William betrays him, the First remorselessly tries to kill him as well, threatening him and Petra with some lurid Cruel and Unusual Death until he himself is killed.

Any mitigating factors?

N'uh. The Dystopian Oz of this setting is sketchy as per usual—characters like the Lion and Mombi are reimagined as crooks, extorionists and murderers, Queen Ozma herself willingly traded off William to the Phanfasms to stop the war, and William himself is (albeit totally unwillingly) guilty of numerous war crimes as a Phanfasm spy. All that aside, the First and Foremost is a pointed aversion to the game's Gray-and-Gray Morality. His motivation for waging war on Oz and trying to slaughter as many people as he can is thus:

Permit me to call your attention to the exquisite joy of making the happy unhappy. Consider the pleasure of destroying innocent and harmless people. We desire more power, but Oz refuses to share it! And that is your downfall! What we want, we take!

Yeah. Not a complex baddie.

Conclusion?

Simple keeper.

Edited by Scraggle on Sep 14th 2021 at 10:37:32 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#279185: Sep 14th 2021 at 2:22:40 PM

[tup]First and Foremost

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
YobabyColin Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
#279187: Sep 14th 2021 at 2:25:46 PM

Sorry to hear about that Michael. RIP Norm. Also, yes to First and Foremost and The Enity.

CapitanoNox Lord of Space from Italy Since: Oct, 2018 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
Lord of Space
#279188: Sep 14th 2021 at 2:26:35 PM

So does the rewrite of the Entity's entry work?

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#279189: Sep 14th 2021 at 2:31:30 PM

  • Splatoon Series Fic Inkopolis Chaos:
    • Lieutenant Rebecca Obsidian is the cruel, ruthless leader of the Octarians. When she got to Inkopolis, she was not accepted by the Inklings, which made her kill two Inklings, and bring one back to Octo Valley, and tortured it in front of everyone. When everyone is disgusted by this act, she goes on a killing spree, murdering fifty people, most of which were innocents. Eventually, Octavio made her an elite and later a lieutenant. She then helps Tartar bring Octolings who were trying to desert to be either sanitized or blended. She becomes the new leader of the Octarians and enforces concentration camps for Inklings and Octolings that she captured and has the ones who refuse to work or try to escape either tortured or killed via slowly dissolving them in water. When a camp is liberated, she executes thousands of Octolings to try and teach the rest a lesson. Upon confronting the Squidbeak Splatoon, she grabs Jade and throws her into a flooded ravine, which causes Ruby to sacrifice herself to save her. In the climax, she tries to destroy all life on the surface and recreate it in her image by launching 15 missiles to blow it up.
    • Scarlet Spiker starts as a typical bully before becoming someone far worse. She first attempts to beat Samuel in a forest, but when this fails, she gets Samuel, Natalie, Luke and Sylvia framed for beating an innocent Inkling into a coma, so she can win the tournament without having to try due to no opponents. When she is exposed, she decides to kidnap Natalie, and brutally tortures her purely out of spite, leaving her with PTSD. Upon being confronted, she attempts to kill the protagonists and have them respawn in a cage so she can kill them multiple times, even threatening to cut Samuel and Natalie’s hearts out. A year later, Obsidian bails her out and forces her to work for her. Later, she shoots Sylvia with a tranquillizer and gets her taken to a concentration camp, where she ended up traumatized. She goes on a killing spree in Inkopolis, killing 11 innocent people in cold blood just for fun, including a child. She later reveals she plans to kill Obsidian after she succeeds, and tries to destroy the peace between Inklings and Octolings by creating a race war for years.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#279190: Sep 14th 2021 at 2:38:36 PM

Yep to the First and Foremost.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#279192: Sep 14th 2021 at 2:40:49 PM

[tup] to Blue, Miles, Obsidian, Scarlet, The Entity, and First and Foremost

Condolences Micheal.

Okay here are my write-ups:

  • Iki Island expansion:
    • Ankhsar Khatun, aka The Eagle, is the leader of a tribe of fanatical mongols that takes over Iki Island killing and enslaving much of the islanders; The Eagle would force her prisoners to ingest her "sacred medicine" driving them mad with the agony her poison brings eventually destroying their minds. She would then set her sights on taking over Tsushima having her forces attack villages there. When Jin Sakai travels to Iki Island, The Eagle captures him making him drink her poisons, having Jin relive his father's death and suffer hallucinations. She later prepares to attack the Raider's last stronghold planning to annihilate the last of those rebelling against her.
    • "Black Hand Riku" Mythic Quest: Black Hand Riku was a pirate infamous for the cruelty and death he brought upon the seas surrounding Iki Island, usually carving up his victims before feeding their remains to his pet monkey. Among his most vile acts involves forcing a group of children to watch him skin their samurai protector alive before killing the children by throwing them overboard. When Riku's crew failed to kill their captain, Riku responded by setting his ship ablaze with the crew still inside killing all of but two, while Riku retreats to a cave on Iki Island. Riku would continue to suffice his bloodlust by killing any who enters his cave and try to steal his armor.

The Iki Island baddies would go in the bottom of the tree

Edited by G-Editor on Sep 14th 2021 at 7:24:53 AM

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#279193: Sep 14th 2021 at 2:50:53 PM

[tup] First and Foremost

It's Spooky Month!
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#279194: Sep 14th 2021 at 2:55:16 PM

Dammit, It's Tuesday, and we're already close to 30 writeups tongue

DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#279195: Sep 14th 2021 at 3:06:08 PM

[tup] to Mark Miles, Lieutenant Rebecca Obsidian, Scarlet Spiker, the Entity, and the First and Foremost Phanfasm.

@Michealthehero21: Sorry for you loss and take all the time you need.

RIP Norm MacDonald.

Edited by DrUnknown on Sep 14th 2021 at 3:06:17 AM

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#279196: Sep 14th 2021 at 3:19:26 PM

Very sorry about your friend Micheal. God rest.

God rest Norm MacDonald. I best remember him as Rusty Heck on The Middle.

xie323 Since: Jul, 2009
#279197: Sep 14th 2021 at 3:40:15 PM

[tup] Mark, Rebecca, the First and the Entity.

So an update on my upcoming E Ps:

The Tales of Arise EP will be on date as I am roughly halfway through the game. There will be, looking at the character page, 2 EPs and maybe one for a really secondary NPC from what I've seen in videos of cutscenes posted on youtube.

The Wrath of the Righteous EP here and on the MB thread on the other hand will be delayed. The game is not only very long and lacking walkthroughs towards the end as few people have gotten to the end that can help me, but its' last two acts are rather buggy because they were never put up in beta because "avoid spoilers", there are a few game-breaking bugs, particularly if you are going for the "best" ending. Now people have beaten the game, and the bugs aren't as bad as Owlcat's first outing in the CRPG genre(Kingmaker's launch issues) or Cyberpunk 2077, but it is somewhat of an issue.

But FWIW, since ACW spilled the beans on what the Mortal Kombat EPs will be about, I'm going to spill the means there will likely be one qualifier given that Lighty gave me the all clear regarding demons and moral agency in the Pathfinder universe, but it was not the one I was gunning for and I will also say that the game's incarnation of Areelu Voresh does not qualify due to her redeeming qualities never being subverted(got kinda spoiled by some youtube videos 3 days ago on the ending), and she is portrayed as vastly a different and significantly less depraved character(to the point where I can genuinely make a case for her as a Magnificent Bitch here—stay tuned for that EP on the MB thread).

The likely qualifiers will be Baphomet and maybe Deskari(they'd likely go up in one effortpost AND as one entry) depending on how much of a non-issue his supposed redeeming quality of loving his dad in the original tabletop setting is ingame.

Edited by xie323 on Sep 14th 2021 at 4:16:52 AM

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#279198: Sep 14th 2021 at 3:46:33 PM

[tup]First and Foremost (well that's a confusing name)

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#279199: Sep 14th 2021 at 3:57:42 PM

Hey if Deskari goes up that would be another version of abbadon here. Who he's based on. Even having a locust theme

Edited by miraculous on Sep 14th 2021 at 3:58:53 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#279200: Sep 14th 2021 at 4:03:28 PM

[tup] to first and the entity

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA

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