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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#276076: Aug 20th 2021 at 1:28:43 PM

[tup] Drummond, Moriarty, Antonio, Kim, Old Scratch, and Major Karr.

Edited by MasterN on Aug 20th 2021 at 1:28:59 AM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#276078: Aug 20th 2021 at 1:46:15 PM

The second black sable candidate: King Kar.

Who is King Kar?

The nightmarish ruler of the Mar, Kar is a savage brute who is introduced with his followers carrying out his orders to massacre tons of people and presenting him with their bones to hang on his wall. And Kar has been doing this quite a while, too, with the Mar raiding in massive numbers, butchering countless innocent people across the galaxy...ever since Sable herself was a child.

In cahoots with Major Karr, King Kar (this is kind of annoying), Kar is planning a resurgent Mar attack on the galaxy to take over, intending on nothing less than genocide of humankind and countless other species, declaring that with their new technology "The stars will run red with the blood of men!" and sending his forces out to overwhelm and massacre everything across the galaxy...

With the gigantic battles being shown and the Corporation falling in power as their slaves win freedom by fighting back, the Mar are pushed back, but Kar is confident their lines hold...only for Sable and Blood to strike upon their kingdom. A fight between Blood an Kar ensues with Blood holding Kar at gunpoint, telling him to call the attack off. Kar sneers he'll rule the galaxy...and Blood executes him with one shot, before telling the next in line to the throne to do it, or die as well.

Mitigating issues?

Nope. Mar is a vicious barbarian alien shark brute, who has people massacred on the regular and tries an act of bodycount in the billions. He does have a wife and son, but only refers to them in terms of what they mean to his future legacy and family line. His son is more reasonable, listening to Blood's threats and calling the Mar attack off.

Conclusion?

I say keeper.

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#276079: Aug 20th 2021 at 1:47:30 PM

And a yep to King Kar

Cutegirl920fire Player 222 from the Squid Games (Five Long Years) Relationship Status: Paris holds the key to my heart
Player 222
#276080: Aug 20th 2021 at 1:49:18 PM

[tup] to King Mar

CG for short
PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#276081: Aug 20th 2021 at 1:50:15 PM

Yes to Kar With One R.

Edited by PurpleEyedGuma on Aug 20th 2021 at 4:50:22 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#276082: Aug 20th 2021 at 1:58:05 PM

Yes to Karr and...Kar (of the Mar). Ya think the author was trying too hard to be clever? Because yeesh.

Edited by ACW on Aug 20th 2021 at 5:10:17 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#276083: Aug 20th 2021 at 2:06:14 PM

[tup]Scratch and the Kar(s)

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Mediawatcher Since: Dec, 2015
#276085: Aug 20th 2021 at 2:25:48 PM

[tup] scratch and both karrs candidates

Edited by Mediawatcher on Aug 20th 2021 at 9:57:17 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#276087: Aug 20th 2021 at 2:28:48 PM

[tup] the other Kar.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#276089: Aug 20th 2021 at 3:37:02 PM

Also gonna snag the Netflix horror series Midnight Mass, and their Magic the Gathering series.

Edited by Lightysnake on Aug 20th 2021 at 3:51:20 AM

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#276090: Aug 20th 2021 at 3:38:36 PM

Speaking of Netflix, did anyone snag the CGI He-Man series?

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#276091: Aug 20th 2021 at 3:53:24 PM

I think Lighty was waiting for season 2?

Also, dammit Netflix, merge with Disney+ so I can just get one streaming service.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#276092: Aug 20th 2021 at 3:56:15 PM

No, no, the CGI is a different one from Masters of the Universe Revelation, which is traditionally animated. if NWYT wants the former, go for it.

Also, might call the Jurnee Smollett Black canary film at HBO Max because hell yes.

Edited by Lightysnake on Aug 20th 2021 at 3:56:36 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#276093: Aug 20th 2021 at 3:57:16 PM

Their are two he man shows . A sorta sequel to the original and one for kids.

Nywoz is referring to the latter.

Edit :[nja]

Edited by miraculous on Aug 20th 2021 at 3:57:37 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
LoreDeluxe Since: May, 2013
#276094: Aug 20th 2021 at 4:11:10 PM

Is the Magic the Gathering series going to be canon to the main storyline or its own thing? I ask since the heinous standard has reached the point where you need to be a plane killer to qualify. Tibalt was a mass murdering sadistic torturer with a fetish for pain, but I only felt comfortable proposing him when he tried to destroy Kaldheim.

Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#276095: Aug 20th 2021 at 4:12:06 PM

Ah, I stand corrected. Are you waiting on Revelation? At least for that Skeletor (I remember you said there might be one more candidate)?

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#276096: Aug 20th 2021 at 4:14:46 PM

Yeah, I'm waiting on both. When season 1 ends on a massive cliffhanger, giving it time.

Lore: We shall see!

Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#276097: Aug 20th 2021 at 4:22:20 PM

[tup] to Kar

The Cliffhanger if anyone was curious

https://youtu.be/W3cGDHaaoVs

(Mark Hamill is a Friggin God)

Edited by Snoketrope on Aug 20th 2021 at 4:23:20 AM

Bow to the Prototype
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#276098: Aug 20th 2021 at 4:27:35 PM

God I hope they don't defeat him via Deus ex Machina.

Wasn't He-Man killed in the first episode? Wiki doesn't explain how he revived.

Riley1sCool Since: Dec, 2014
#276099: Aug 20th 2021 at 5:00:57 PM

Yes to Kar.

Oh fuck, Canary's getting a spinoff? That's superb news.

And yeah… best to wait on Skelly boy since it's a huge cliffhanger, but it's extremely likely he'll be a landslide of a keep.

Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#276100: Aug 20th 2021 at 5:31:36 PM

If we're talking upcoming releases, I'm reserving both upcoming Pinocchio movies (the Disney live-action remake and the Guillermo del Toro one).

Why so serious?

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