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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#271576: Jul 17th 2021 at 5:14:07 PM

[up][up]I checked the pothole and determined it was facetious. I agree that that would've helped indeed.

That's a long awaited [tup] to Rooker of course! I worried that anything he does after taking the drug impedes his clear thinking, but he already shows he cares nothing for his wife and daughter before that that I don't think it really hurts him if you ask me.

[up]Yeah. Thought so.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jul 17th 2021 at 7:57:48 AM

Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#271577: Jul 17th 2021 at 5:14:24 PM

Yes to Rooker

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#271580: Jul 17th 2021 at 5:22:25 PM

[tup]Rooker

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#271581: Jul 17th 2021 at 5:28:15 PM

[tup] Rooker, how many Darkman ones does that make?

Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#271583: Jul 17th 2021 at 5:31:34 PM

[up] Well considering some of the keepers we have I would assume yes.

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#271584: Jul 17th 2021 at 5:32:42 PM

Dag comes to mind immediately

Yes to Rooker

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#271587: Jul 17th 2021 at 5:36:19 PM

@Ordeaux So we got 2 Durants, 2 Stracks(novel and Comicie), Dr. Hathaway, Smiley (Novel), and Sanford,and Rooker, I think that makes it right keepers.

Edit: [down] bruh, I got [nja]

Edited by Powermaster201 on Jul 17th 2021 at 8:39:09 AM

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#271588: Jul 17th 2021 at 5:36:33 PM

I checked, it seems we currently have 8, considering how spread out the keepers are a page might be needed.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Jul 17th 2021 at 5:36:55 AM

Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Calabash.
#271589: Jul 17th 2021 at 5:37:08 PM

@Ordeaux 26: Ok, I was just asking. My confidence was a bit shaken after going through 2 rejected entries, and I'm not really sure if I want to introduce him, especially since he's from a notable Machinima (Not the defunct channel) series...

Eh, good enough.
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#271590: Jul 17th 2021 at 5:39:37 PM

[up][up] I thought we agreed to slow down on creating pages?

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#271591: Jul 17th 2021 at 5:40:34 PM

Yeah we did agree I was just saying one might be needed. Maybe for now the page can go in the "probably should be made but not super needed" pile.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Jul 17th 2021 at 5:46:56 AM

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#271592: Jul 17th 2021 at 5:48:26 PM

No rush on the page. Also, the comic and novel versions of Strack have the exact same entry, so it might technically be just seven now anyway.

ANewMan A total has-been. Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A total has-been.
#271594: Jul 17th 2021 at 6:09:59 PM

Apologies for not being here and missing the Ben 10 discussions. I would vote [tdown] Diagon and could've told everyone from the start that absolutely none of the reboot proposals qualify (and I now seriously question how honest and thorough in detail Snowy 66 could be for this thread). There actually IS one single villain from the reboot I think might have a fairer shot at qualifying, but I'm not sure if he's been brought up yet.

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#271595: Jul 17th 2021 at 6:10:52 PM

Again, very special thanks to TBNY for his part in all this!

The second and third movies are pretty entertaining too—particularly the second one. That said, third one has a very non-subtle Beauty and the Beast reference in it.

Rooker's entry:

  • Darkman III: Die Darkman Die: Peter Rooker is a drug-dealing crime lord who after being ripped off by Darkman seeks to use his power for his own benefit—while also murdering one of his own men as well. Courtesy of his mistress Dr. Bridget Thorne, Rooker tricks Darkman into thinking his pain receptors will be restored and instead has her implant a device into him that administers a painful electric shock. Rooker then has Darkman's blood harnessed while he's taken hostage—intending to dispose of him once he's through—and through the blood, intends to create a drug that when taken causes the person to become manic and super strong like Darkman so that Rooker can use assassins who take it to murder the DA giving him trouble. Jealous of Darkman's developing relationship with Rooker's own wife Angela and daughter Jenny, Rooker has Thorne murdered in front of Angela, takes the drug himself to try to kill Darkman and in the process, nearly kills Jenny by scarring her with hot steam.

And now for the tree:

  • Darkman trilogy:
    • Robert G. Durant is a crime boss turned Psycho for Hire who is introduced having a potential obstacle's entire outfit executed before he tortures the boss by chopping off all his fingers with a cigar cutter. Later, on behalf of Louis Strack Jr., Durant attacks Dr. Peyton Westlake in his lab, setting him on fire, killing his lab assistant and ruining his life by turning him into the titular Anti-Hero Darkman. Durant thinks nothing of betraying and killing allies (not even when he learns Darkman tricked him), and when he returns in the second film, he shows himself as even nastier than before. He hires crazed scientist Dr. Alfred Hathaway to build a high-powered laser weapon to mass produce to anyone who can afford it; has scientist Dr. David Brinkman beaten and murdered in order to steal his lab; and has David's sister Laurie threatened to get to Westlake when he discovers his arch rival Darkman's return. Durant also has reporter Jill Randall killed for bringing his activities to light and showing an unflattering picture of him.
    • The Return of Durant: Dr. Alfred Hathaway is the maniacal scientist broken out of the asylum he's in and hired by Durant to build the highly powerful and intense laser weapon called "The Vigilante". Crazed and obsessed with science, Hathaway, having experimented on and caused destruction with radioactive and nuclear materials prior to this, harnesses that same power for the weapons, which one at a point blows up a building. Another time when used on a human target, it painfully warps him through electrocution before then obliterating him where he stands. Happy to be paid for both his part in a business deal and when the weapon is mass produced, but panicking when Darkman sabotages everything, Hathaway then murders the potential buyer while attempting to make off with his own work by himself.
    • Die Darkman Die: Peter Rooker is a drug-dealing crime lord who after being ripped off by Darkman seeks to use his power for his own benefit—while also murdering one of his own men as well. Courtesy of his mistress Dr. Bridget Thorne, Rooker tricks Darkman into thinking his pain receptors will be restored and instead has her implant a device into him that administers a painful electric shock. Rooker then has Darkman's blood harnessed while he's taken hostage—intending to dispose of him once he's through—and through the blood, intends to create a drug that when taken causes the person to become manic and super strong like Darkman so that Rooker can use assassins who take it to murder the DA giving him trouble. Jealous of Darkman's developing relationship with Rooker's own wife Angela and daughter Jenny, Rooker has Thorne murdered in front of Angela, takes the drug himself to try to kill Darkman and in the process, nearly kills Jenny by scarring her with hot steam.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jul 17th 2021 at 6:11:47 AM

Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#271596: Jul 17th 2021 at 6:11:26 PM

[up][up]Who is it?

[up] does Pet Rat really fit Durant? I feel like he's suited to be under Arch-Enemy or Diabolical Mastermind.

[down] I'm aware just saying

Edited by Powermaster201 on Jul 17th 2021 at 9:18:25 AM

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#271597: Jul 17th 2021 at 6:15:43 PM

[up]I didn't pick that pothole for the record. It was already there.

Sheesh. Almost matched the RoboCop trilogy in keepers!

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jul 17th 2021 at 6:17:08 AM

Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#271599: Jul 17th 2021 at 6:19:01 PM

Yes and two villains from that, Francis and Ernie, got shot down for not being serious enough.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#271600: Jul 17th 2021 at 6:19:22 PM

If you mean Francis.

We down voted him.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

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