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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#271376: Jul 16th 2021 at 6:01:22 PM

I'm not feeling it with the Vilgax image really, it's basically like Ravok's image of him but with him grabbing someone instead.

[up] Basically a crossover with Evil Dead and the 1993 miniseries, the miniseries has a serial killer I might cover.

Edited by Powermaster201 on Jul 16th 2021 at 9:02:00 AM

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#271377: Jul 16th 2021 at 6:03:20 PM

[up]Interesting. Scraggle brought up to me that there's also a comic that basically acts as a sequel to the movie and has Durant be revealed to be alive in a different way than the film sequel did.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jul 16th 2021 at 6:04:24 AM

Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#271378: Jul 16th 2021 at 6:04:14 PM

Yeah, Durant comes back as a clone or some cyborg in the comic this time.

Edited by Powermaster201 on Jul 16th 2021 at 9:04:54 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#271379: Jul 16th 2021 at 6:07:55 PM

Yes to Hathaway.

I need to check out these films at some point.

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
TBNY (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#271381: Jul 16th 2021 at 6:11:19 PM

Durant comes back as akin to something like a Spiderdemon. Basically. And Eddie Black comes back with guns for hands now. God, I love 90s comics.

@futuremoviewriter Go ahead. Hopefully, life gets back to normal somehow for me. And thank you for the well-wishes.

Edited by TBNY on Jul 16th 2021 at 9:13:41 AM

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#271382: Jul 16th 2021 at 6:17:33 PM

Had this baby for a long time and definitely looked forward to putting it to bed.

Let's see…that's the comic/novel Strack, the novel Smiley, Durant, Hathaway, potentially another Durant, probably Rooker, one other possible keeper after that. Sheesh. That's seven-eight from the looks of it!

Darkman might get its own page after all…

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#271383: Jul 16th 2021 at 6:18:40 PM

Damn that Castlevania page is never going to get made, evil grin.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#271384: Jul 16th 2021 at 6:24:56 PM

I mean I am surprised that Darkman might get a page before say Harry Potter.

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#271385: Jul 16th 2021 at 6:28:25 PM

Don't expect a keeper in the crossover with Evil Dead, the Big Bad is Jessie, Darkman's lover who got herself possessed and Durant (who comes back from the dead by Jessie) doesn't do much beyond transforming two or four people into deadites, but even with low resources, I think Jessie (Known as Queen of Darkness) outclass him by turning the city into a Deadite infested hellhole. Unless someone wants to read the comic themselves to prove me wrong go ahead because I'm not sure if anyone counts.

Edited by Powermaster201 on Jul 16th 2021 at 9:35:15 AM

MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#271386: Jul 16th 2021 at 6:32:51 PM

[tup]Hataway.

Heads up, a new Ys game is in development.

IPP Wick Check created.
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#271388: Jul 16th 2021 at 6:42:03 PM

@Ys: Reserving that. Want to split, Ravok?

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#271390: Jul 16th 2021 at 6:49:59 PM

Been suggested another quote:

Scar: So predictable. Janja has joined the Pride Landers.
Ushari: And... you're okay with that? I mean, of course you're okay with that.
Scar: Kion may have the power to defeat me. But, not the way I told Janja. If Kion uses his most powerful Roar here in the caldera, it won't destroy me. Instead, he'll cause an eruption so huge, it will destroy the Lion Guard, and turn the Pride Lands into a wasteland.
~ Scar explaining his final plan to kill the Lion Guard at Ushari, The Lion Guard, "Batlle for the Pride Lands"

IPP Wick Check created.
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#271391: Jul 16th 2021 at 7:03:06 PM

Yes to Hathaway. Maintaining my no on Verone.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#271392: Jul 16th 2021 at 7:03:55 PM

[tup] Karak "The tiger did it, not me!" Khan, the Mole Man guy, Lord Decibel, Hathaway.

Edited by HamburgerTime on Jul 16th 2021 at 9:18:51 AM

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#271393: Jul 16th 2021 at 7:14:11 PM

'Yes' to Hathaway, also sticking with 'No' on Verone.

Alright, here's my last batch of image attempts for Monster.Ben 10. If none of these hit well for us, then I'm good with no image for now, lol

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/vilgaxbodies.jpg

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/vilgaxtools2.png

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/vilgaxtools32.png

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/vilgaxcrush.png

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/vilgaxvictor2.jpeg

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/vilgaxwin.jpeg

I don't particularly care for any of these but they're the best I could find and I would really rather the page not have zero pic lol but let's see what we all think.

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
JRads47 Since: Nov, 2014
Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#271395: Jul 16th 2021 at 7:15:09 PM

I think either the first image or the last one is fine with me

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#271396: Jul 16th 2021 at 7:17:10 PM

I really like the first one, remember though we need to start a IP thread due to the fact it had one before.

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#271397: Jul 16th 2021 at 7:18:27 PM

[tup] Garak.

[tup] Kahab.

[tup] Decibel.

[tup] Ilya.

[tup] Lex.

[tup] Mary.

[tup] Hathaway.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#271400: Jul 16th 2021 at 7:25:57 PM

Yes to the first image.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."

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