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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

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It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#27101: Jun 26th 2014 at 10:00:52 PM

Considerably better, but could probably be shortened in a few places

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#27102: Jun 26th 2014 at 10:07:33 PM

I'll snip at it here and there in the beginning, then.

edited 26th Jun '14 10:41:46 PM by Serocco

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#27103: Jun 26th 2014 at 10:14:10 PM

Keep for Remake!Freddy.

Damn, I was already thinking of doing a rewrite for Rourke. Good job, Exister.

I think I would also support a Highlander subpage. At least 8 villains in all? That's the same amount the James Bond franchise had before we gave it one, and more than some of the older ones that stayed through grandfather clause.

I have a third incarnation of Satan from a live-action movie who might qualify: The Robert De Niro version from Angel Heart. It's a thriller where a detective named Harold Angel is hired by "Louis Cyphre" (Trope Namer) to find Johnny Favourite, a disappeared singer. It eventually turns out that Angel is Favourite himself and has killed a bunch of people while being possessed by the Devil.

The page previously listed Favourite himself.

—>Epiphany: (speaking of her mother) She said that Johnny Favourite was the closest thing to true evil that she ever wanted to get.

This is mostly an Informed Attribute, actually. Favourite was evil, but the Devil is way worse. Listing Favourite is damn near impossible because he's mostly a Posthumous Character with Offscreen Villainy. There's also hints that he cared for Margaret Krusemark, a female occultist in his past life. Angel himself is horrified to find out that he ate a man's heart and stole his soul to escape his Deal with the Devil.

The Devil set Favourite up on a quest to kill everyone he knew for his own amusement and collect on the contract with Favourite. It's easy to get the opposite impression because Satan seems like an agent of karma on first glance, but he also targets completely innocent people to screw with Angel/Favourite, such as Favourite's daughter Epiphany, leaving her little kid an orphan. He also kills a random lawyer free of all wrongdoing to tie up loose ends. Satan possesses him to commit all the murders, plainly stating this at the end. The murders are all ridiculously horriffic, such as a man boiled to death in a frying machine, another shot through the eye, and another having his penis cut off and shoved down his own throat. The worst one would probably get Satan on this list by itself: he tricks Favourite into sleeping with Epiphany, then later murder her by raping her to death with a loaded gun shoved into her vagina. There's also no hint that Satan doesn't possess free will. In one scene he even casually offers Favourite his soul back, but poses the question in such a context that Favourite doesn't understand the offer. Then he makes it clear that he devours souls.

Satan in this film is also pure evil. He's not an agent of karma; while his main target was himself an evil man, that guy has since lost all memories and Satan himself has no problem targeting innocents in his quest to collect souls, and he notes he revels in the death he sees occurring to humanity.

edited 26th Jun '14 10:19:29 PM by Morgenthaler

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#27104: Jun 26th 2014 at 10:19:49 PM

Wait a tick, Favorite is offscreen villainy? Not at all. Throughout the movie, Johnny 'resurfaces' to murder people who might recognize him. We see the corpses, and flashbacks to him committing the killings.

Satan mentions he 'guided' it, but he makes it clear Johnny Favorite did this all himself. Lucifer tells him what truly damned him was choosing to murder the real Harry Angel. To escape his deal with Lucifer, Favorite murdered a boy named Harry Angel, ripping out his heart and eating it to steal his soul and identity. Lucifer hired 'harry Angel' to find Johnny Favorite, to claim the soul he'd lost.

Now, Harry and Johnny are basically two completely different people, there's no doubt on this. It's implied that when Johnny feels threatened, he retakes control and deals with the problem. All Satan 'wanted' overall was for harry to realize who he was...killing people who could point this out more efficiently is kind of...well, not exactly conducive to this plan (even if Lucifer was having a blast watching it)

edited 26th Jun '14 10:28:22 PM by Lightysnake

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#27105: Jun 26th 2014 at 10:37:18 PM

So, is my new writeup good enough?

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#27106: Jun 26th 2014 at 11:02:45 PM

Are you suggesting to keep both Favourite and Satan or cut them both? I might get a clearer idea where you're coming from. I'll agree that putting Favourite and Angel together is impossible, though, given the whole Amnesiacs Are Innocent issue.

Offscreen Villainy: That's highly questionable. The only onscreen crime Favourite commits is killing the original Harold Angel, and the only reason that isn't entirely OV is because we see a bloody table, not Favourite eating the heart or anything. The murders during the present day... we never do learn if Favourite was in control. He was evil before he switched bodies, yes, but there's no hint that he was Stupid Evil. There's no believable reason for Favourite, fully restored and fully conscious, to kill all his old allies. And for the question of who's responsible during the possession, for the Devil qualifying that doesn't matter. I don't see a difference between killing a bunch of people yourself and knowingly and purposefully sicking a psycho to kill a bunch of people while enjoying the show yourself.

And yet Satan knowingly compelled Angel/Favourite to kill innocent people in addition to some bad ones. Killing Winesap and getting Favourite's daughter murdered in that way at the hands of her own father? It's utterly beyond what "condemn this one asshole to hell" would have demanded.

edited 26th Jun '14 11:09:20 PM by Morgenthaler

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#27107: Jun 26th 2014 at 11:19:08 PM

I say [tup] on the write up on Stossuhl.

LogoP Party Crasher from the Land of Deep Blue Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
Party Crasher
#27108: Jun 27th 2014 at 12:51:25 AM

It seems pretty good to be, tbh. I've seen much larger. [tup]

It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.
Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#27109: Jun 27th 2014 at 1:10:19 AM

Of course, I will say [tup] to the rewrite.

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#27110: Jun 27th 2014 at 1:10:23 AM

Yeah, walls of text aren't good. We try to make it ~300 words tops (with some exceptions if need be, notably Palpatine).

[down]The rewrite's fine.

edited 27th Jun '14 1:39:34 AM by ACW

Serocco Serocco from Miami, Florida Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
Serocco
#27111: Jun 27th 2014 at 1:36:44 AM

I count less than 300 words there. <.<

So, that's four who like the rewrite. Where do I put it?

edited 27th Jun '14 3:13:21 AM by Serocco

In RWBY, every girl is Best Girl.
Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#27112: Jun 27th 2014 at 4:10:43 AM

I'd say it fits in Other Media.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#27113: Jun 27th 2014 at 5:20:32 AM

[up]Under Web Original probably.
[nja]27120: There have been longer ones, but only by necessity (like Sherlock's Moriarty, who's involved in the whole series; or, video game wise, characters who are in multiple games like Arkham's Joker or Kingdom Heart's Xehanort).

edited 27th Jun '14 6:09:05 AM by ACW

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#27114: Jun 27th 2014 at 7:03:10 AM

I'll say the rewrite should be OK.

Now, Morgenthaler:

I disagree it's offscreen. If you remember at the end of the film, we see flashbacks of all the murders, in rather gruesome detail (except Epiphany's, but as we see her corpse in bed with the bloodsoaked sheets, I consider it OK. Hell, we see all the corpses.

I'd say Lucifer and Favorite could qualify, but I see the latter as worse. Here's his quote:

"All killed by your own hand. Guided by me naturally. Frankly, you were doomed from the moment you slit that young boy in half, Johnny... for twelve years you've been living on borrowed time and another men's memories. "

randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#27115: Jun 27th 2014 at 7:25:58 AM

Speaking of that I'll try to condense my Air Jay writeup.

  • Janita has Air Jay, a psychopathic Viking who kills people on a whim with his unique fire abilities. He took part in the Third Ninja War as a mercenary, killing a thousand people, before being sealed by Naruto's parents, Minato and Kushino. Upon being unsealed by bandits he burns them to death, and kills several more when informed him that Minato and Kushino have been killed believing only he is allowed to kill them. Takuma then tells him that they have a son, Air Jay is then ready to join his plan to unearth the weapon to destroy the village. Air Jay massacres a village as they try to fight back with pitchforks laughing about how easy it was, is about to kill a child when Hinata tries to stop him, considers killing Hinata in front of her daughter, the eponymous Janita, until he smells Naruto on her and takes her alive as bait. When Hinata wakes up she finds herself in a trap rigged to kill an innocent girl if she escapes. He later pulls Hinata down just to kill the girl. He sends eight bandits to kill his father for knowing his weakness, despite that he refused to disclose it. Air Jay repeatedly torments and kills the slaves, having a woman tell them about all his actions and tells them she will die in ten seconds if they do not work harder only to kill her when he reaches six, takes two prisoners and asks Hinata which one he should kill then kills them both when she can not decide, and has them all burned to death when the weapon is unearthed. He then loads up weapon with bombs to destroy the entire Leaf Village, unlike Takuma who simply wanted to kill the leader, Hiashi, and take over. He then drains Takuma's Chakra to power the machine telling him he intends to keep Hinata to abuse.

edited 27th Jun '14 8:06:17 AM by randomtroper89

Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#27116: Jun 27th 2014 at 7:28:41 AM

[up] Still very Wall of Text-y. EDIT: And not so much anymore, it seems.

[up][up]Okay, let me specify what I meant: all the murders happen onscreen, although the actual acts are shown in flashbacks at the end. It's just that the only confirmed murder on the part of Favourite was the original Harold Angel. Every other death? Either Satan compelled him directly or let Johnny crawl to the surface of Harry's mind.

I just see Favourite's culpability in the crimes committed after his 'demise' of sorts as being too vague in terms of moral agency. The exact quote doesn't tell us much. It could just as plausibly be interpreted as "I controlled you, using your own hands to kill them".

Johnny is still clearly seeing things through Harry's soul during the final scene with Cyphre and in denial. Why doesn't Johnny jump out then if he could at any moment to protect himself? I do however take the view that Johnny and Harry were most likely ultimately reintegrated. Angel's whole expression during the elevator ride is a resigned "okay, let's get this over with".

edited 27th Jun '14 8:36:36 AM by Morgenthaler

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#27117: Jun 27th 2014 at 7:39:01 AM

It's implied when Harry realizes who he truly is...that's it. Jig up, no more running. The second he exposed the dog tags that belonged to the real Harry Angel...

And besides, what could he do to protect himself from Cypher? Come out and attack him? At that point, it was over and everyone knew it.

The problem I have with Lucifer forcing him is it doesn't make much sense by internal rules. As I said, Lucifer wants him to remember and forcing him to murder people who could reveal the truth is very counterproductive to that goal. Secondly, if Lucifer can just forcibly control people, he could've done this to Harry and made him unravel the mystery from the get go, never mind Johnny managing to trick him and escape in the first place.

Lucifer also puts the blame on Johnny for the murders, in a "this is why your soul is mine, Johnny". If he could force him to commit the murders, there'd be zero way Johnny could be held culpable for that. I believe Lucifer set the situation up, to be sure, but I can't see it as him hijacking Johnny/Harry's mind.

edited 27th Jun '14 8:27:26 AM by Lightysnake

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#27118: Jun 27th 2014 at 8:26:42 AM

Air Jay condensed more (without potholes):

  • Janita: Air Jay is a psychopathic Viking who kills people on a whim with his unique fire abilities. He was a mercenary in the Third Ninja War, killing a thousand people, before being sealed by Naruto's parents, Minato and Kushino. Upon being unsealed by bandits he burns them to death, and kills several more when informed him that Minato and Kushino have been killed, believing only he is allowed to kill them. Air Jay joins Takuma’s plan to unearth the weapon to destroy the village. Air Jay massacres a village as they try to fight back with pitchforks laughing about how easy it was, is about to kill a child when Hinata tries to stop him, considers killing Hinata in front of her daughter, the eponymous Janita, until he smells Naruto on her and takes her alive as bait. When Hinata wakes up she finds herself in a trap rigged to kill an innocent girl if she escapes. He later pulls Hinata down just to kill the girl. He sends eight bandits to kill his father for knowing his weakness, despite refusing to disclose it. Air Jay repeatedly torments and kills the slaves, having a woman tell them about all his actions and tells them she will die in ten seconds if they do not work harder only to kill her when he reaches six, takes two prisoners and asks Hinata which one he should kill then kills them both when she cannot decide, and has them all burned to death when the weapon is unearthed. He then loads up weapon with bombs to destroy the entire Leaf Village, unlike Takuma who simply wanted to kill the leader, Hiashi, and take over. He then drains Takuma's Chakra to power the machine telling him he intends to keep Hinata to abuse.
I looked and didn't find any discussion of these two:

edited 27th Jun '14 8:31:50 AM by ACW

Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#27119: Jun 27th 2014 at 8:46:16 AM

[up][up] I think we can both agree that this Lucifer is a pretty powerful and all-knowing version, although the real extent is never revealed. Satan hints that he could easily shapeshift and he teleports right into Favourite's room at the end. I would disagree that letting Favourite killing his former allies is counterproductive to Lucifer's plan. Remember, the only reason Lucifer even played this game with Favourite is because he wanted to see him solve his own puzzle for laughs and kill multiple people in process. He even plays with this during their introduction, with the whole "Do I know you from somewhere?" bit. He could just as well have told Favourite right there and then if he wanted to collect so badly, but that wouldn't be as much fun for Mr. D.

A major theme in the film is that Johnny was just delaying the inevitable, even with the ritual. How much he's in denial or not is left open. Satan does let him go after the reveal just to witness Epiphany. It's presumed that Johnny ultimately died on the electric chair, but given how desperate Favourite was I would have expected him to run for it, or at the very least react more angrily at Lucifer than he did. Not even when Angel collects his dog tags does he remember that he's Johnny but continues the lie.

The thing is, we don't really know the specifics of Favourite's contract, or what would mess with the black magic that Favourite performed on Angel. I can definately see your point on Lucifer blaming Favourite, though, although the culpability thing doesn't make much sense. Lucifer doesn't have to let Favourite condemn himself to hell in terms of some cosmic karma meter. He already owns his soul, he just hasn't collected yet.

edited 27th Jun '14 8:49:15 AM by Morgenthaler

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#27120: Jun 27th 2014 at 8:47:43 AM

[up][up]Both should get a yea, honestly. Eben goes so far out of Well-Intentioned Extremist territory into just crazy bigot land, especially given he takes over from a far more reasonable guy.

Morgenthaler: There's definitely some laughs Lucifer is getting, but I don't think he could just burst in and strong arm Johnny into giving his soul up. If he could have, he'd have done it 12 years before, when Johnny took Harry Angel's soul. Also, there's the strong undertone that as long as Harry doesn't remember, he's safe from Cypher. Lucifer says himself that the account cannot be settled until Johnny is found.

It's questionable if Johnny himself can surface anymore when Harry realizes the truth. At that point, what any court of law does to him is irrelevant: knowledge of his true identity means his soul is going to hell and nothing he does will do anything but delay the inevitable. He will die, whether through an accident (and really, Lucifer could arrange that just as he did the lawyer), homicide, natural causes or the chair. It doesn't matter. He's gonna burn.

It's the fact Lucifer lays the blame on Favorite, just as the movie seems to. I can see both counting quite easily here.

The film, for others, ends with Harry Angel in an elevator that descends into pitch black darkness. Before everything goes dark, you hear Lucifer whisper "Harry. Johnny. Welcome home."

edited 27th Jun '14 8:52:57 AM by Lightysnake

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#27121: Jun 27th 2014 at 9:06:51 AM

[up]Care to rewrite them (at least the second one; the first one just needs a touch-up and spoilers removed)?

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#27122: Jun 27th 2014 at 9:16:38 AM

In the meantime, I have a trio of monsters from the comic Back To Brooklyn written by Garth Ennis and Jimmy Palmiotti.

The series concerns the number two man of the Saetta crime family, Bob Saetta, brother of "Paul The Wall" Saetta, the family boss. Bob has run to the cops and turned snitch for reasons nobody can comprehend. Then Bob gets a call from Paul, revealing he has Bob's wife Penny and son Michael hostage. Not one word.

Bob leaves police custody to get his family back from his brother, running into two friends along the way after killing a group of Paul's soldiers. It's revealed Bob is also tracking down 'the tape,' a video held by Russian gangsters that has Paul terrified that it'll be leaked.

Now, Bob performed a hit on a Russian gangster before the story started, and recovered the tape...hence why we'll be covering the three monsters:

Number 1: Paul "The Wall" Saetta

Bob's hulking monster of a brother. Paul is a vicious brute, and known as the gangster who runs Brooklyn. He has Penny and Michae kidnapped after slaughtering their protective police detail, using their lives as collateral.

the real horror, though, comes when Bob shows the tape to his friends Maggie and Vinnie T. Paul is a pedophile and child molester. He has the little boys brought to him, rapes them and murders them. The Russian mobster Bob killed had the dead little boy of the most recent tape in his trunk.

It's revealed Paul's been at it a long time, too. At the end, he tries to kill Bob, denouncing him as a weak coward for turning on him for being a child rapist.

Monster 2: Mr. Churchill

The Dragonto Paul. Churchill is a quaint, quiet little gentleman Bob adequately describes as Paul's pet psycho. Bob and friends take refuge at the home of old man Caproni, where they used to buy egg creams as children. Churchill finds them and proceeds to torture Caproni by hacking him slowly with a straight razor. When he's done, Churchill order the building burnt down with Caproni still alive. When Caproni begs Churchill that his wife is upstairs and bedridden, Churchill responds "so carry her out". Caproni is on the ground, barely capable of breathing at this point.

Churchill later captures Vinnie and has him viciously beaten before giving him a speech how "I will melt your eyes with my lighter. I will cut-not pull- cut out your teeth and your nails. I will cut off that cock you're so proud of and wrap it around your neck."

Vinnie claims he'll never rat on Bob and gives one reason: "Because he's my friend." Knowing Vinnie won't talk, no matter what he does, Churchill shoots him through the head, as anything further would be a waste of time.

At the end, Churchill reveals he knows about the kids, and figured it out when three little boys went missing years ago. He set up the deal with the Russians to provide boys for Paul.

And that leads us to the final member of the group....

Monster 3: Penny Saetta

Bob's wife. At the end, Bob makes it to Paul's home, and finds Penny waiting with Paul. Penny then asks him "didn't you think to ask who was holding the camera?" Penny reveals she only married Bob because he was a tough gangster and "i wanted to be a dangerous bitch," and Bob put her on a pedestal without knowing what she was. She helped Paul with the kids and the murders because "I'm a bad girl, and what's worse than this?"

Bob then proceeds to beg her to tell him she didn't with Michael. Penny cheerfully responds she actually tried but Paul wasn't interested in his own nephew. This has Bob blow her head off.

So, yes, little mobster miniseries and I'd say this trio qualifies quite handily. No offscreen issues, I'll mention (the tape is shown briefly, but only with Paul having his hand on a little boy's shoulder) before it cuts to Vinnie and Maggie's horrified reactions with Vinnie begging Bob to turn it off.

Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#27123: Jun 27th 2014 at 9:17:09 AM

[up][up][up] That all depends on a particular interpretation of at what point Lucifer found out, though. I think how much power Lucifer has in collecting himself wasn't really an issue to being with. If it were, he would just let Harry visit his old friends immediately after stealing Angel's soul. The impression I got why he even waited 12 years at all was because he tried to set up an Oldboy-type situation just to mess with Favourite even further.

Where does Lucifer say that the account cannot be settled? He just says he doesn't like messy accounts without going into specifics.

I think the final line you quoted and a bit I just remembered would be conclusive proof that Favourite can qualify, though. After the reveal, the flashbacks to the murders are all implied to be Favourite's memories, not some visions by Satan (he's already left by that point) or something only the viewer can see but not Harry.

[up] Good keeps, there.

edited 27th Jun '14 9:22:39 AM by Morgenthaler

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#27124: Jun 27th 2014 at 9:19:48 AM

Thank you. I'll add the potholes and maybe a few more.

  • Janita: Air Jay is a psychopathic Viking who kills people on a whim with his unique fire abilities. He was a mercenary in the Third Ninja War, killing a thousand people, before being sealed by Naruto's parents, Minato and Kushino. Upon being unsealed by bandits he burns them to death, and kills several more when informed him that Minato and Kushino have been killed, believing only he is allowed to kill them. Air Jay joins Takuma’s plan to unearth the weapon to destroy the village. Air Jay massacres a village as they try to fight back with pitchforks laughing about how easy it was, is about to kill a child when Hinata tries to stop him, considers killing Hinata in front of her daughter, the eponymous Janita, until he smells Naruto on her and takes her alive as bait. When Hinata wakes up she finds herself in a trap rigged to kill an innocent girl if she escapes. He later pulls Hinata down just to kill the girl. He sends eight bandits to kill his father for knowing his weakness, despite refusing to disclose it. Air Jay repeatedly torments and kills the slaves, having a woman tell them about all his actions and tells them she will die in ten seconds if they do not work harder only to kill her when he reaches six, takes two prisoners and asks Hinata which one he should kill then kills them both when she cannot decide, and has them all burned to death. He then loads up weapon with bombs to destroy the entire Leaf Village, unlike Takuma who simply wanted to kill the leader, Hiashi, and take over. He then drains Takuma's Chakra to power the machine telling him he intends to keep Hinata to abuse.

edited 27th Jun '14 9:20:24 AM by randomtroper89

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#27125: Jun 27th 2014 at 9:32:46 AM

[tup][tup]Paul.
[tup]Penny. Not QUITE as bad, but she qualifies as she helps Paul with the children.
Not sure if the other guy is QUITE as bad as those 2.

[down]I stand corrected. [tup] all 3.

[nja]Why wasn't Paul interested in his own nephew? I'm guessing this wasn't a case of Even Evil Has Standards.

edited 27th Jun '14 10:01:35 AM by ACW


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