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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#270476: Jul 12th 2021 at 8:58:56 AM

Yeah to Kuroiwa and the snuff filmmakers.

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#270478: Jul 12th 2021 at 9:21:34 AM

@Dr Scavenge 27 Did you not read? Er is Made of Evil.

[tup]Hub, Ari, and Kuroi

Edited by MasterJoseph on Jul 12th 2021 at 9:22:00 AM

IPP Wick Check created.
DrScavenge27 Since: Jul, 2020
#270479: Jul 12th 2021 at 9:27:39 AM

My bad, MJ. I just remembered that Pirate Master from Shantae has something similar on characters page.

Edited by DrScavenge27 on Jul 12th 2021 at 9:28:25 AM

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#270480: Jul 12th 2021 at 9:36:06 AM

Huh, Hindle was an easier keep than I anticipated. Here he is:

  • False Positive: Dr. John Hindle is a seemingly affable, gentlemanly scientist who takes advantage of his position as one of the most prestigious fertility doctors in the world to discreetly rape dozens of women, impregnatiing his patients, all women who have had difficulties having children, which what he tells them is their husbands' and boyfriends' sperm but it really his own. Bribing a former med student of his, Adrian, with a lucrative partnership at his clinic to recruit his wife, the film's heroine Lucy, for his project, Hindle proceeds to gaslight her incessantly to prevent her from discovering his secret, and later attempting to kill her outright when she does. Hindle is also a firm believer in eugenics and justifies his crimes as an attempt to stock the human gene pool with his own "ideal" DNA.

BlurryDawgo Bork ribs with extra beef from here to eternity Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: That's rough, buddy
Bork ribs with extra beef
#270481: Jul 12th 2021 at 9:37:06 AM

Apologies for any sudden interruptions, but the Ben 10 page doesn't have a caption yet, and I have three ideas for what the caption should be. All of which reference the original theme song because I'm a doofus.

So how do y'all feel about these? Any suggestions for further improvements? Too corny to be used?

Also, [tup] to John Hindle, Brother Kale, Hubert Matkowski and Arleta Szewczuk.

I feel like I should look at the game myself before I vote on The Mole.

Sends me into hyperspace, when I see her pretty face…
YobabyColin Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
#270482: Jul 12th 2021 at 9:44:52 AM

[up] The first quote looks fine. Don't know about the other two, though.

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#270483: Jul 12th 2021 at 9:45:30 AM

Late [tup] for Farida, and [tup] Antinea, Kindle Hindle, The Mole, Kale, and Arleta and Hubert.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#270484: Jul 12th 2021 at 9:47:37 AM

[tup] Matkowski and Szewczu.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#270485: Jul 12th 2021 at 10:11:29 AM

[tup]Kuroiwa & the Snuff Filmers

I like the first caption the best (@Yobaby the other two are jokes on the theme song)

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
caio202 The Brazillian Dog! from Brazil Since: Nov, 2019
The Brazillian Dog!
#270487: Jul 12th 2021 at 10:31:20 AM

Mr. Widemouth from creepypasta of the same name was already cut?

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#270489: Jul 12th 2021 at 10:37:08 AM

By the way, for villains who are corrupt members of the FBI, Filthy Feds was just created as a redirect.

~Tropers/ACW, Figured you might want to know.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#270490: Jul 12th 2021 at 10:40:21 AM

Good to know, but considering it's just a redirect to Dirty Cop, I'll just use it in the future.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#270492: Jul 12th 2021 at 10:46:53 AM

  • False Positive: Dr. John Hindle is a seemingly affable, gentlemanly OB-GYN who takes advantage of his position as one of the most prestigious fertility doctors in the world to discreetly rape dozens of women, impregnating his patients—all women who have had difficulties having children—which what he tells them is their husbands' and boyfriends' sperm, but in actuality is his own. Bribing a former med student of his, Adrian Martin, with a lucrative partnership at his clinic to recruit his wife, heroine Lucia "Lucy" Martin, for his project, Hindle proceeds to gaslight her incessantly to prevent her from discovering his secret, and later attempts to kill her outright when she does. Hindle is also a firm believer in eugenics and justifies his crimes as an attempt to stock the human gene pool with his own "ideal" DNA.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#270493: Jul 12th 2021 at 10:49:56 AM

Actually, I kinda like that third header for Ben 10 (the one with the "baddest kid to ever save the day" gag).

LargoQuagmire Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#270495: Jul 12th 2021 at 10:54:19 AM

[tup] Snuff perpetrators; third heading for Ben 10 is good.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#270496: Jul 12th 2021 at 11:01:38 AM

First or third header for me.

Now all we need is the Z'Skayr writeup and any keepers from the reboot, and that page will be good to go.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#270498: Jul 12th 2021 at 11:36:10 AM

[up][up] I'll be surprised if we end up getting keepers from the Ben 10 reboot, cause I know for a fact that we didn't any keeps on the other infamous CN reboots like Teen Titans Go or Powerpuff Girls 2016.

[down] That comic series was based on the original show, not the reboot version.

Edited by Michealthehero21 on Jul 12th 2021 at 11:54:13 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
BlurryDawgo Bork ribs with extra beef from here to eternity Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: That's rough, buddy
Bork ribs with extra beef
#270500: Jul 12th 2021 at 11:38:46 AM

[up][up] From my experience, the Ben 10 reboot is different to the other two you mentioned. It is lighter and the writing quality does go up and down, but it's far more story- and action-driven by comparison. Vilgax is still a full-on bastard (not necessarily CM), for example.

Edited by BlurryDawgo on Jul 12th 2021 at 11:42:51 AM

Sends me into hyperspace, when I see her pretty face…

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