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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#268976: Jul 1st 2021 at 11:05:29 PM

Yes to the Bogeyman

  • ''Flashpoint: Eobard Thawne, The Reverse Flash, upon learning of Barry Allen’s death, decides to gain more power in the Altered timeline Barry created. Brutally murdering several soldiers and heroes at the White House, Thawne forces the President, a weak man he put into power, into giving him all of the power in the US. To protect his power, Thawne killed Aquaman and a thousand of his soldiers and threatened to do the same to Wonder Woman and the Amazons. Thawne taunts Thomas Wayne about how he could use his powers to save the world from the forces tearing it apart, but that he chooses not to, fully willing to leave millions to die just so he can maintain power in America. When America is invaded by his enemies, Thawne opts to change the timeline even more, saving the Waynes, causing Gotham to remain a crime filled hellhole without Batman, and changing even more in his mad desire to create a world for himself.

PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#268977: Jul 1st 2021 at 11:32:42 PM

[tup] Bogeyman and thank you kindly Scraggle, for now I can [tup] Courtney Gears without reservation.

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#268978: Jul 2nd 2021 at 12:27:55 AM

[tup] to Partridge, Thawne, Phoenix, Gears and the Bogeyman. [tdown] Ape Shaman.

MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#268979: Jul 2nd 2021 at 12:45:31 AM

Anyone mind this image of the Triumvirate from the Contra franchise?

IPP Wick Check created.
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#268980: Jul 2nd 2021 at 12:57:44 AM

No clue why or how I'm supposed to be relating the ruined picture to the triumvirate in that picture.

MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#268982: Jul 2nd 2021 at 1:36:10 AM

[tup]Bogeyman

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
TheJokster22 Logical from Down Unda Since: Mar, 2017 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Logical
#268984: Jul 2nd 2021 at 2:12:29 AM

Apologies if this question has already been asked, but is there any reason why only Live Action portrayals are allowed in the Played and Opposed CM sandbox?

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#268985: Jul 2nd 2021 at 2:25:48 AM

Triumvirate is my own candidate, but yeah, that image doesn't work for me.

papyru: Drafts please.

[tup] Partridge, Thawne, Phoenix, the Evil Diva, Bogeyman (I found the issue; looks like even Boogeymen aren't immune to bullets [lol]).

As for why the played/fought Sandbox is live-action...I guess we COULD include animated, but that would expand the size exponentially.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
YobabyColin Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#268988: Jul 2nd 2021 at 6:26:18 AM

So hahaha bad news.

My wifi is down (I'm using my data at the momet) so the charmed rewatch and final ep will probably be delayed by a few days as they fix it. Everyone fine with this.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#268989: Jul 2nd 2021 at 6:29:40 AM

[up] Take your time dude. Perfectly understandable.

It's Spooky Month!
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#268992: Jul 2nd 2021 at 7:34:29 AM

@ACW That's the exact reason, otherwise the list would be enormous.

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#268993: Jul 2nd 2021 at 8:34:07 AM

Definite yes to the Bogeyman.

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#268995: Jul 2nd 2021 at 8:52:48 AM

@mir: It seems the Wikipedia of All Evil is doing all he can to hinder you.

Jokes aside, that's fine mir. We all get technical issues.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
ASghhrv6ub Best Smile from Second star to the right. Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#268998: Jul 2nd 2021 at 9:10:33 AM

Yeah to Phoenix, Gears, and the Bogeyman.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#268999: Jul 2nd 2021 at 9:52:32 AM

I re-did the Hitcher tree:

  • The Hitcher films have hostile hitchhikers who kill many, families, children, and cops included:
    • First film: John Ryder is a mysterious vagabond who gains a twisted obsession with the young hero Jim Halsey and begins hunting him down in an attempt to hurt and corrupt him. After terrifying him once, Ryder is given a ride by a family of four and murders them all gruesomely, including the little children. Ryder sets up Jim as the murderer as he continues racking up a body count. Ryder's most infamous act is to tie Jim's Love Interest, a waitress named Nash, between two trucks and tear her in half. Twisted and monstrous, Ryder is only interested in turning Jim into as much a monster as he is and killing as many people as possible.
    • I've Been Waiting: Jack is yet another sadistic hitchhiker who kills to alleviate his boredom. Having killed others before encountering Jim and Maggie, Jack at one point kills a trucker to take his truck, scalping the man to use his hair as a wig. Murdering Maggie's parents and blaming her and Jim for the murders, Jack fatally wounds Jim and later captures Maggie, putting her in a water tower that will kill her should she make any erratic movements. Once Maggie escapes, Jack follows suit, killing several innocents and cops in an attempt to frame Maggie, stopping at nothing to have her arrested.
    • 2007 remake: John Ryder here lacks the mystique and cold refinement of the original. Instead a vicious misogynist, Ryder slaughters a family to prove a point, children included, before arriving at a police station to massacre everyone there. Trying to rape heroine Grace, Ryder instead forces her to watch her boyfriend Jim pulled in half before slaughtering the cops arresting him while delighting in trying to turn Grace into a killer.

DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#269000: Jul 2nd 2021 at 10:15:50 AM

[tup] to the Boogeyman.

[tdown] to the Triumvirate image. I'll lean [tdown] on Lyle Hemlock/the Boogeyman due to heinousness issues. Still, thank you Blazing_Larvesta for the clarification.

[up] Looks good.

Edited by DrUnknown on Jul 2nd 2021 at 10:16:19 AM


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