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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#26876: Jun 21st 2014 at 11:04:46 AM

[up] Naruto has easily the worst track record of the Big Three Shonen with female characters, so it's probably not just you. Some fans were impressed that the most powerful character in the series turned out to be a woman though.

edited 21st Jun '14 11:05:10 AM by HamburgerTime

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#26877: Jun 21st 2014 at 11:11:27 AM

Except she's evil. must be destroyed and is defined almost wholly by her role as an abusive mother.

Bleahc is honstly worse, though. The Unohana stuff is just indefensible.

edited 21st Jun '14 11:11:56 AM by Lightysnake

Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#26878: Jun 21st 2014 at 11:17:56 AM

I'd also say the write-up for the Other Mother is good for both Western Animation and Literature. I've cut the Hunter. If no one objects I'll also cut the Diggstown guy, since it does seem like he has standards and he barely and debatably meets even basic heinousness.

[tup] for Jenna. I'm legitimately unsure on Animated!Dr. Von Reichter however. His single outstanding crime of "blow up the city" sounds utterly generic even though the body count might be technically larger. It sounds a lot more like a Moral Event Horizon moment than him being a Complete Monster, since he's so utterly uninterested in actually doing evil most of the time. The comic version, by contrast, is a solid keep, as he's a Mengele-type Nazi scientist who grinds up a child alive, murders all his creations, and has a ton of other crimes to boot.

RE: Drowtales Yikes. Snadhya definately looks like a future candidate. Since she's not confirmed to be one yet though, I would suggest we shelve this webcomic for now. I'll cut Kalki and properly indent the other two for the time being with their current write-ups.

Also Lightysnake, could you do a breakdown for Ryunosuke from The Sword of Doom? There were at least a few posters who wondered if he qualified.

RE: Michael: Yeah, seconding what nrjxll said. Michael is one of the best demonstrations I've ever seen of a Sympathetic P.O.V.. The viewer is initially forced to sympathize with him because his introductory episode is seen through his eyes, and we're just as horrified as him to find out that he's really a Wraith. If the episode was told from Atlantis' POV, their actions would probably be seen as totally justified and Michael gets less of a Draco in Leather Pants treatment. It's astounding how unaware the writers were when Atlantis did morally ambiguous things for the greater good, but they save people almost every other episode and the inadvertent destruction they do cause is out of idiocy, not actual malice. Michael's Freudian Excuse comes across as whiny and self-centred because his complaint is largely that he's not allowed to feed on people. There's also a tendency to overstate Atlantis' crimes while downplaying Michael's ones, even though he became a baby-killing, genocidal Galactic Conqueror at the end. By his final episode there definately isn't any good left in him.

Reviewing Stargate Atlantis made me think of another possible candidate: the Wraith King from the episode "Sateda".

Who is the Wraith King? What he done?

The Wraith 'King', or Wraith 'General', is the leader of one of the strongest Hiveships in the Pegasus Galaxy. He destroyed Ronon's homeworld Sateda (shown in flashbacks), annihilating the entire population down to the last man, woman, and child. Ronon witnessed his wife die in front of him in the process as the Wraith started bombarding the cities. He implanted Ronon with a tracking device so his soldiers could hunt him from planet to planet for sport for 7 years, wiping out any human settlements that offer him shelter as well. He promises the survivors of one such settlement that if they capture and return Ronon to him, he'll leave their planet alone forever. They do so years later, but he harvests them all anyway. He returns Ronon to Sateda specifically to confront him with his failure and watch him die there, boasts how many of his friends he devoured, and organizes a hunt for Ronon by sending in increasingly bigger groups of Wraith hunters while watching the show from his ship. Ronon eventually kills most of his minions himself and threatens the King to come down himself, which he does as he tries to beat Ronon to death with his bare hands.

Does he stand out?

Yes. Michael has a technically bigger bodycount as an Absolute Xenophobe, but he's in a different league of villainy from Michael in a variety of ways. Michael is a seasons-long recurring character, the King appeared in only one episode. As a violent and sadistic Blood Knight he's also much less intelligent than Michael, who was a scientist before he became a Hybrid – it's what gave him such an edge in bio-engineering to create the Hybrids in the first place. The King is also probably the worst real Wraith character who also gets enough characterization to stand out from the group. Michael didn't commit his worst crimes until he became a Hybrid, and unlike Michael the King has no reason to become a genocider of Wraith, it's where his powerbase comes from.

Freudian Excuse or Redeeming traits?

None. Like the other Wraith he has all the moral agency in the world to understand the consequences of his actions, he just chooses to be one of the worst Wraith lords the galaxy has ever seen. When Ronon kills his men in increasingly bigger numbers on Sateda, he's not even pissed off that Ronon is killing Wraith. More than anything, he's angry that Ronon is insulting him by killing his men. There are other Wraith who at least cared about their own kind.

There's also the issue that he's a male Wraith commanding a Hive. That's completely unprecented in their society; Hives are almost always controlled by Queens. Wraith society is very cutthroat and survival-of-the-fittest-oriented, but most have Undying Loyalty for their Queens. The only other such instance was a male Wraith (Todd) who assumed leadership after his Queen was killed previously, and even then he pretended to have a reclusive Queen and kept up the charade afterwards. It's where a Hive derives its legitimacy from. The implication of the King controlling his Hive so absolutely is that he murdered his Queen to take her place, which is an extreme taboo among Wraith. That inference may be a bit generous since we never do discover how he assumed power (although there's no other conceivable way to explain it), but at the very least he definately values his own power over Wraith traditions, making him a tyrant among his kind. This is supported by the fact that he's easily the biggest and most dangerous Wraith on his Hive – he seems to derive his authority solely from being the meanest, most feared Wraith around.

Conclusion

Between the fact that he annihilated dozens of worlds for at least hundreds of years, one of his cullings/genocides gets a whole episode devoted to it, he betrays his word at least once just to eat more people, goes to such ridiculous lengths to torment one person for defying him after already killing all his people, doesn't give a crap even for any other Wraith and is a usurper and/or more kill-happy than even his brethren, I'd say he's a keep.

[down] #26882 above.

edited 21st Jun '14 11:43:45 AM by Morgenthaler

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#26879: Jun 21st 2014 at 11:20:31 AM

[up]Which OM writeup? The one I posted or the one currently at Lit?

TVRulezAgain Since: Sep, 2011
#26880: Jun 21st 2014 at 11:29:56 AM

I'm going to say no on Paul Young based on this:

  • Unintentionally Sympathetic:
    • Paul Young. Granted he killed the woman who drove his wife to suicide but it is difficult not to feel at least a little sorry for him given the estrangement of his son, his long stay in prison and the constant hostility and distrust of the people who were supposedly his friends and neighbours. In fact, read that back. His most unsympathetic trait is that he killed the woman who blackmailed his wife into shooting herself.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#26881: Jun 21st 2014 at 11:34:33 AM

Yes to the King.

As for Tsugue Ryunosuke, ok, here's a brief rundown:

Ryunosuke is an incredibly skilled and arrogant swordsman, the heir to the his own school in the original novel. In the movie, he's a wandering vagabond. He's also a sociopath and a murderer. In the start of the film, he kills an old monk praying for death not out of mercy, but because it's a chance to kill someone.

Ryunosuke's only redeeming quality as a human is his incredible sword talent. (Which I suppose isn't much as a human). When he's scheduled for a duel, the man's wife, knowing her husband is outmatched, begs Ryunosuke to throw the duel. Ryunosuke demands, in return, she sleep with him and basically rapes her. The next day, he win the duel anyways and kills her husband. Ryunosuke spends the movie killing those in his way, and even kills the guy's wife, who's become his mistress, when she tries to kill him and abandons their child.

Now, the movie also takes time to...deconstruct Ryunosuke's nihilistic world view. When he encounters another swordsman defeating his opponents, Ryunosuke is utterly shaken by the notion he's not the strongest man alive. The other swordsman, played by Toshiro Mifune, mocks Ryunosuke and says that a rotten soul makes his sword weaker than he thinks.

It's an incredibly well done film, starring two of the best actors of the golden age of Japanese cinema, and presents one of the most evil and monstrous main characters I've ever seen in a film while taking time to point out what a hideous excuse human being he is.

The only emotions he ever displays are rage, fear, shock and horror. Now, in the novel from what I understand? he's far worse, actually starting by raping and murdering a woman for no reason whatsoever.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#26883: Jun 21st 2014 at 2:14:11 PM

[up][up] Now that's an interesting way to present such a character. I'm not sure if his contemplation about not being as strong as he thought he was would qualify as a redeeming trait if he doesn't go through a Heel Realization. The work does seem to want to, ironically, portray him as a tragic figure because of and not in spite of his utter evil. He fits every other standard, but qualifying him appears to go against the message of the work itself.

edited 21st Jun '14 2:14:51 PM by Morgenthaler

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#26884: Jun 21st 2014 at 2:22:42 PM

Oh, not at all. Ryunosuke takes that message and does absolutely not a thing to be a better person with it. He's still an evil son of a bitch and murderer. His self-confidence is just...slightly shaken.

To say he's a tragic figure is not really supported at all. The message is he's a monster who has squandered his gifts, not that it's a sad thing.

edited 21st Jun '14 2:23:22 PM by Lightysnake

Morgenthaler Since: Feb, 2016
#26885: Jun 21st 2014 at 2:28:32 PM

He actually realizes that he's scum yet he completely forgets about it? Definately a keep then. It does add another layer, so I guess my question is simply this: does the work try to portray how hollow such an evil man's life would actually be even if he doesn't realize it himself, or that he knows he's evil and embraces it fully?

[up] Ninja'd. [tup] then.

edited 21st Jun '14 2:29:07 PM by Morgenthaler

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"
MasterGhandalf Since: Jul, 2009
#26886: Jun 21st 2014 at 2:36:42 PM

This reminds me a bit of the conversation about Ishamael/Moridin from The Wheel of Time in terms of "does realizing one is evil and hating oneself for it - but doing nothing to change one's behavior - count as a redeeming quality?" We decided on "definitely not" in his case too.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#26887: Jun 21st 2014 at 2:42:03 PM

I don't see any evidence in the film Ryunosuke hates himself. He's just shaken by the notion that he's not the best swordsman around. He shows no intent to incorporate it. At the end, when he's confronted by the possibly imaginary ghosts of those he's killed, he attempts to cut them down.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#26888: Jun 21st 2014 at 3:15:53 PM

From Willbyr: Some condensing of the Book!Monsters from A Song of Ice and Fire would be good; I can't disagree.
BTW, is Ramsay the only monster(s) still alive in each? Besides Show!Gregor?

OccasionalExister Since: Jul, 2012
#26889: Jun 21st 2014 at 3:50:52 PM

I can probably condense Ramsay's entry. Give me a few minutes.

EDIT: How about this.

  • Ramsay Snow, the Bastard of Bolton, stands out as one of the most savage and depraved men in Westeros. Suspected of murdering his good-hearted, trueborn brother, Ramsay first comes to prominence after he forces Lady Hornwood to marry him to gain her lands. Having already starved her to death, Ramsay avoids death at the hands of Winterfell soldiers by impersonating his servant, Reek, then sending his "friend" to die in his place. When Theon Greyjoy takes over Winterfell, the imprisoned Ramsay allies himself with Greyjoy and acts as a corruptive influence, ultimately being the one to convince Theon to cross the Moral Event Horizon by murdering two little boys to pass them off as Bran and Rickon Stark. Gathering his own forces, Ramsay slaughters Ser Rodrik's Northerner soldiers, then betrays and captures Theon before ordering his men to raze Winterfell and slaughter everyone inside. One of Ramsay's favorite past-times is flaying people alive and he's done this many times, from the people he tortures, to the girls he hunts for fun that give him bad sport, to the surrendering Ironborn forces of Moat Cailin after Ramsay promised them mercy. Ramsay is also responsible for physically and mentally torturing Theon Greyjoy to condition him into a pathetic, insane wretch who believes himself the new Reek. Taking an Arya Stark impersonator as his wife to maintain Bolton control of the North, Ramsay abuses her constantly, despite her usefulness, even forcing Theon to participate in her wedding night bedding. A half-feral beast of a man, Ramsay lives to satisfy his sadistic urges and is so pointlessly and moronically cruel that even his own sociopathic father has to hold himself back from killing him.

[down] Rather have that pothole be Flaying Alive than Fingore since the former, in my opinion, is far worse than the latter.

edited 21st Jun '14 8:23:36 PM by OccasionalExister

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#26890: Jun 21st 2014 at 3:56:21 PM

[tup] Clegane and Rorge too?
BTW, you working on Hoyt?

[nja]Looks good (BTW, pasttimes is one word). A few slight changes:

edited 21st Jun '14 4:27:46 PM by ACW

OccasionalExister Since: Jul, 2012
#26891: Jun 21st 2014 at 4:42:46 PM

Wait, I just read the edit request page, it sounds like the Monster.A Song Of Ice And Fire page is working fine now. The problem wasn't entry lengths it was just a mistake made while editing the page. The Ramsay entry can still be swapped out, but the others don't need to be condensed.

I'll have a Hoyt write-up done tonight.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#26892: Jun 21st 2014 at 5:18:29 PM

[up]I wasn't sure if it needed to be condensed; I'm fine either way. Here's some Nightmare Fuel: it says at A Song of Ice and Fire that Ramsay also flays TOES as well as fingers...surprisedsurprisedsurprised

OccasionalExister Since: Jul, 2012
#26893: Jun 21st 2014 at 5:34:27 PM

Here's a Hoyt write-up.

  • Charles Hoyt from Rizzoli And Isles was Jane's Arch-Enemy, a necrophilic Serial Killer known as the Surgeon. Preferring to target couples and loving to foster fear in his victims, Hoyt would rape his female victims, forcing the male to watch, then kill them both. Hoyt managed to kill three couples as well as an entire family. Forming an obsession with Jane Rizzoli, Hoyt murdered Alexander Ghent and kidnapped his wife to lure Rizzoli into a trap to kill them both. Though captured, Hoyt continued to be a menace through his apprentices. Hoyt would go on to temporarily break out of jail and murder one couple with his first apprentice, threaten to rape Maura when she interviewed him while he was in custody, murdered the husband of his second apprentice, had his second apprentice take Jane's brother, Franke, hostage, and used his third apprentice to kill an inmate to lure Jane to him so he could have one last attempt at killing her before he died of pancreatic cancer. Just before his final attempt on Jane's life, he began to slit Maura's throat just so Jane could watch her best friend die before killing her.

edited 21st Jun '14 5:49:44 PM by OccasionalExister

TheOverlord Since: Jan, 2015
#26894: Jun 21st 2014 at 6:28:35 PM

Hey did we ever discuss the Marvel character Magus?

There are more one incarnation of that character (and another Marvel character with the same name, who is completely different).

Second Magus was created when Adam Warlock decided to purge both good and evil from his body (his good self was a crazed Knights Templar named the Goddess). Since that Magus was Made of Evil, he does not count.

However the first Magus is a bit more interesting, he is a Future version of Adam Warlock that was kidnapped by beings called Lord Chaos and Master Order. Lord Chaos and Master Order planned on making Warlock a champion of life, to oppose Thanos the champion of death, so they bombarded him with "dark secrets." These Dark Secrets said that there is no good or evil, only purpose (life) and non purpose (death). At first Warlock resisted these dark secrets, put eventually he gave in and became the Magus. Now you can say Magus was psychologically tortured and the text said he was "driven insane", but let's explore this:

When Magus returns to the past, he decides he is a god and slaughters a bunch of aliens on the planet he landed on. After that he establishes "The Universal Church of Truth" a theocracy where he is worshiped as a god. He decides to commit galactic genocide against those who are not humanoid, because they are not created in his image. He also kills those he considers unproductive in his new empire. As for his past self, Adam Warlock, he intends to defeat him and ensure that becomes the Magus, so he can ensure his own survival.

So is having a god complex and having Fantastic Racist attitudes after some arguable psychological torture insane or merely evil? Here is a page that has some good info on the character:

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/magus.htm

edited 21st Jun '14 6:32:05 PM by TheOverlord

KyleJacobs from DC - Southern efficiency, Northern charm Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#26895: Jun 21st 2014 at 8:00:34 PM

[up][up][up]That's the CONDENSED version?!

Hodor Cleric of Banjo from Westeros Since: Dec, 1969
Cleric of Banjo
#26896: Jun 21st 2014 at 8:53:34 PM

I had a potential example on which I hoped to receive feedback, as he's a similar case to Richard III and Ukiyo of Samurai 7- characters who initial didn't think qualified but I was persuaded did. So, here it goes- the character is Gonzague from On Guard (also known as Le Bossu), a somewhat humorous swashbuckler set in the early 1700's, which is based on a 19th century potboiler novel.

Who is he?

Gonzague is the scheming cousin of the Upper-Class Twit Duke Philippe de Nevers, who resents his cousin for being heir and for having the love of a noblewoman named Blanche de Caylus. At the start of the film, De Nevers has impregnated Blanche, but she doesn't know this, and thinks he has seduced and abandoned her, because Gonzague kept her letters from De Nevers. When De Nevers finds out about the child, he immediately goes to marry her, and Gonzague seeks to have him assassinated, in part because Blanche's child will be legitimized upon the marriage, and otherwise, Gonzague is the heir. The film's hero, Lagardère, is a roguish swordsman who had experienced Defeat Means Friendship with De Nevers. He unknowingly accepts a job to be one of the assassins (he knew he was going to be an assassin but didn't know the target) but then saves De Nevers when he finds out that he's the target.

At this point in the movie, the two travel to Blanche's home, where De Nevers marries her. Shortly after that, Gonzague's men slaughter the entire wedding party, except for Blanche, and with his dying breath, De Nevers entrusts his child to Lagardère, who also manages to mark Gonzague's hand with a scar so he can identify the perpetrator of the massacre.

The film's events take place over the next 16 years with a time skip in between. Lagardère seeks shelter with an acting troupe, and early on, they keep the child, Aurore, from Gonzague's men who seek to kill her. She grows up and as a forewarning, the film has her end up falling in love with her adoptive father, Lagardère, who ultatimely reciprocates.

Sixteen years later, Blanche has entered a convent and lives near Gonzague at court, who is involved in business, orchestrating a Ponzi involving The Mississippi Company. Gonzague continues to woo Blanche. Gonzague is a Collector of the Strange whose men all have some kind of Red Right Hand. After a hunchback, who was his business manager is killed by one of his men (unknown to him), he seeks a substitute, which ends up being a disguised Lagardère. Gonzague is ultimately exposed by Lagardère and Aurore, who he reunites with her mother, and they live happily ever after, etc.

Is he heinous by the standards of the story?

Definitely yes here I'd think as he's behind most of the evil occurring in the story. The one caveat here is that one of Gonzague's men, a one-eyed guy murders the first hunchback (The Bossu of the title) after Lagardère gets information from him, and this man also attempts to rape Aurore when she and the troupe perform for him and the household (Gonzague is not present for this) and she ends up killing him using a signature move that De Nevers taught Lagardère, which alerts Gonzague to their presence. Neither of these things were with Gonzague's knowledge, and they aren't really his type of dog-kicking (more on this below).

Excuses/Redeeming Qualities?

This is the tough part. De Nevers is none too bright and is a bit of a jerk, so Gonzague resenting him is understandable. Gonzague notes accurately that he has a financial mind that could bring in wealth to the family whereas De Nevers is just wasting money doing aristocratic stuff. Gonzague also states apparently truthfully that his love of Blanche not being returned and the fact that she loved De Nevers turned him to evil. And I will note that in the intervening years, he professes love to her in a polite, non-threatening manner (note, she is lead to believe that Lagardère was behind the massacre), but it's hard to consider his love redeeming given how it motivates him to pull off a proto-Red Wedding on her entire family and he repeatedly tries to kill her child.

There's also the issue of his weird relationship toward hunchbacks. After his first one is killed (the minion that did the murder blames it on Lagardère) he pretty much takes it in stride and immediately seeks out another. On the other hand, his behavior toward his new hunchback (the disguised Lagardère) is basically that of a Benevolent Boss, although tempered by period-accurate condescension. He's friendly and joking toward him comments to the effect that he knows that he expects him to skim a bit off the top in his job as financial manager, and has no issues with it as long as he doesn't get too greedy.

One other thing- not that it really matters, since it is the least heinous of his behavior, but I wouldn't consider the Ponzi all that bad- it wasn't illegal at the time and I would note that Lagardère actually carries it out to its conclusion but takes the money for Aurore instead of giving it to Gonzague- and afterward, there's no suggstion that any of them will face any legal trouble. ...

So, tl; dr version is that I'm inclined to not see the love as a redeeming quality- even though he's polite about it, it seems purely selfish and obsessive. The other issue is that while it's hard for me to say he cares about his hunchbacks (given his condescending behavior and casually deciding to get another after briefly morning) he does treat them well.

edited 21st Jun '14 9:01:04 PM by Hodor

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
TVRulezAgain Since: Sep, 2011
#26898: Jun 21st 2014 at 10:42:45 PM

Terranigma

  • King Henry. He raided a village and killed all of its inhabitants for treasure...except for a young girl he orphaned himself, who he only keeps around to wait for her to spit out the secret of the treasure. He's also described as an extremely oppressive tyrant by the townspeople.

Anyone familiar with this work?

BigglesTh9 Since: Jul, 2011
#26899: Jun 21st 2014 at 11:07:35 PM

[up] Yes! Great game. Unfortunately, it's been easily a decade since I last played it, so I hardly remember any of the plot. I'm planning a replay in the near future, so can we have a vote after that?

Druplesnubb Editor of Posts Since: Dec, 2013
Editor of Posts
#26900: Jun 22nd 2014 at 5:55:21 AM

Speaking of the A Song of Ice and Fire page, I think Book!Gregor's entry should be expanded to mention what he did to Vargo Hoat.

edited 22nd Jun '14 5:58:02 AM by Druplesnubb


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