During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
to Courtney Gears.
Yes to Headhunter, Crisis, Partridge, Thawne, Phoenix and Gears.
No to Ape.
Here are my Droids write-ups:
- Droids :
- In the TV movie The Great Heep, Admiral Screed and the Great Heep are some of the darkest villains in the series. Screed attempts to conquer the planet Biitu which has vast supplies of fuel ore. Screed deposits the Great Heep on Biitu, along with a moisture eater tower that is designed to steal all the water from the planet so that the Empire can kill off the local population and steal the fuel ore. The Great Heep is a sadist who captures nearby ships and enslaves the droids on the ships, except for the R2 units, where he drains them of their power to recharge himself.
- Governor Koong is the corrupt ruler of the province of Tawntoom on the planet Roon, Koong wants to conquer the province Umboo and rule the entire planet. He makes offers of alliance to the Galatic Empire and engages in various actions to increase his power. He takes over the Umboo lighthouse station to send out fake single and loot the ships he tricks into crashing and captures his enemies and forces them to be a part of a rowing crew on one of his slave ships. But his worst action was in his final appearance, where he sprays Umboo with the Rooze virus, intending to kill everyone in Umboo so he can claim their land for himself.
Edited by Overlord on Jul 1st 2021 at 7:41:56 AM
to the first Bullseye image, Datu Talagbusao, Admridal Screed, the Great Heep, Mayor Sancho Santamaria, the Lord Commander image, General Headhunter, Crisis, Russell Partridge, Eobard Thawne/Reverse Flash, John Phoenix, and Courtney Gears.
to the second Bullseye image and the Ape Shaman.
As for Lyle Hemlock/the Boogeyman, exactly how wide is the resource gap between him and the other villains who could put his heinousness into question?
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Hemlock is an expert programmer who can hack into other peoples' phones and claims to know 68 different languages, and is also the leader of a smuggling ring called Aculeus. When compared to canon CMs, Manfred von Karma and Dahlia Hawthorne have smaller body counts than him, but also have fewer resources. The phantom is able to pull of some of the same actions as Hemlock, and even succeeded in a crime Hemlock failed at (blowing up a courtroom) with the authority of a member of a terrorist group. Ga'ran has more resources than Hemlock, as while the latter merely has control over a smuggling ring, the former rules an entire country.
Edited by Blazing_Larvesta on Jul 1st 2021 at 10:35:52 AM
I got another from Moon Knight—from issue #15 of the 2014 series.
Who is the Bogeyman? What has he done?
The Bogeyman is exactly what his name might imply—a monstrous demon with a knack for hiding in little kids' bedrooms so he can sneak out at night and devour them. The Bogeyman's a godawful sadist with a huge body count implied, who by the time of the issue has been terrorizing the city and munching on kids for a while. The first time Marc tries to stop him from killing a kid, the Bogeyman horribly mauls him.
The next time the Moon Knight gets the drop on him, the Bogeyman's taking his time terrorizing the shit out of his latest victim, preparing afterward to move on and find a new hunting ground full of tasty kids for him to kill:
Any mitigating factors?
There's an interesting twist in that the insane-ass god that serves as Marc Spector's benefactor, Khonshu, is also the Bogeyman's benefactor, but nothing really comes of that aside from showing how fucked up Khonshu can be.
Beyond that, zilch. We never get an exact body count from the Bogeyman aside from "lots and lots," but the Bogeyman's brutal MO keeps him for the relatively few pages he's on. Even when he tells the girl he "can't help" what he does when he's hungry, it's just him being a sadist and further screwing with her to make her "taste" better.
Conclusion?
Keeper.
