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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#268953: Jul 1st 2021 at 6:43:03 PM

Reaffirming [tup] To the Gear.

IPP Wick Check created.
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#268954: Jul 1st 2021 at 6:49:02 PM

An official [tup] for Gears

It's Spooky Month!
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#268956: Jul 1st 2021 at 6:58:33 PM

[tup]Gears

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#268959: Jul 1st 2021 at 7:15:23 PM

[tup] to gears (again)

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#268960: Jul 1st 2021 at 7:21:50 PM

Yes to the re-evaluated Courtney.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#268962: Jul 1st 2021 at 7:29:15 PM

Yes to Headhunter, Crisis, Partridge, Thawne, Phoenix and Gears.

No to Ape.

Here are my Droids write-ups:

  • Droids :
    • In the TV movie The Great Heep, Admiral Screed and the Great Heep are some of the darkest villains in the series. Screed attempts to conquer the planet Biitu which has vast supplies of fuel ore. Screed deposits the Great Heep on Biitu, along with a moisture eater tower that is designed to steal all the water from the planet so that the Empire can kill off the local population and steal the fuel ore. The Great Heep is a sadist who captures nearby ships and enslaves the droids on the ships, except for the R2 units, where he drains them of their power to recharge himself.
    • Governor Koong is the corrupt ruler of the province of Tawntoom on the planet Roon, Koong wants to conquer the province Umboo and rule the entire planet. He makes offers of alliance to the Galatic Empire and engages in various actions to increase his power. He takes over the Umboo lighthouse station to send out fake single and loot the ships he tricks into crashing and captures his enemies and forces them to be a part of a rowing crew on one of his slave ships. But his worst action was in his final appearance, where he sprays Umboo with the Rooze virus, intending to kill everyone in Umboo so he can claim their land for himself.

Edited by Overlord on Jul 1st 2021 at 7:41:56 AM

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#268963: Jul 1st 2021 at 7:41:26 PM

Keeping my [tup] for Courtney.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#268966: Jul 1st 2021 at 7:58:05 PM

[tup] Gears.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#268967: Jul 1st 2021 at 7:59:53 PM

Yes to Gears.

DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#268968: Jul 1st 2021 at 8:21:21 PM

[tup] to the first Bullseye image, Datu Talagbusao, Admridal Screed, the Great Heep, Mayor Sancho Santamaria, the Lord Commander image, General Headhunter, Crisis, Russell Partridge, Eobard Thawne/Reverse Flash, John Phoenix, and Courtney Gears.

[tdown] to the second Bullseye image and the Ape Shaman.

As for Lyle Hemlock/the Boogeyman, exactly how wide is the resource gap between him and the other villains who could put his heinousness into question?

SumDumNerd LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED from [REDACTED] Since: May, 2017 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
DrScavenge27 Since: Jul, 2020
DrScavenge27 Since: Jul, 2020
#268972: Jul 1st 2021 at 9:09:53 PM

Also [tup] to Crisis, Headhunter, Koong, Thawne and Skulduggery candidates.

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#268973: Jul 1st 2021 at 9:20:21 PM

And of course, a big 'Yes' to relitigated Courtney, spectacular work and laying it out!

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
Blazing_Larvesta Blazing Larvesta from Unova Route 18 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Blazing Larvesta
#268974: Jul 1st 2021 at 10:35:33 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up]Hemlock is an expert programmer who can hack into other peoples' phones and claims to know 68 different languages, and is also the leader of a smuggling ring called Aculeus. When compared to canon CMs, Manfred von Karma and Dahlia Hawthorne have smaller body counts than him, but also have fewer resources. The phantom is able to pull of some of the same actions as Hemlock, and even succeeded in a crime Hemlock failed at (blowing up a courtroom) with the authority of a member of a terrorist group. Ga'ran has more resources than Hemlock, as while the latter merely has control over a smuggling ring, the former rules an entire country.

Edited by Blazing_Larvesta on Jul 1st 2021 at 10:35:52 AM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#268975: Jul 1st 2021 at 10:56:29 PM

I got another from Moon Knight—from issue #15 of the 2014 series.

Who is the Bogeyman? What has he done?

The Bogeyman is exactly what his name might imply—a monstrous demon with a knack for hiding in little kids' bedrooms so he can sneak out at night and devour them. The Bogeyman's a godawful sadist with a huge body count implied, who by the time of the issue has been terrorizing the city and munching on kids for a while. The first time Marc tries to stop him from killing a kid, the Bogeyman horribly mauls him.

The next time the Moon Knight gets the drop on him, the Bogeyman's taking his time terrorizing the shit out of his latest victim, preparing afterward to move on and find a new hunting ground full of tasty kids for him to kill:

Are you afraid? It's all right to be scared. All the others were afraid, too. When I came for them...from their closets...from under their beds...they were terrified. And it made them taste so much better. Soon...I'll moving on. All the other children have left this place. I suppose your parents didn't want to move. Maybe they didn't believe. I'll be long gone...searching for another crop of blood and gristle to harvest...but it will be too late for you. You'll just be the remnants of a snack I pick from my teeth as I travel to the next hunting ground.

Any mitigating factors?

There's an interesting twist in that the insane-ass god that serves as Marc Spector's benefactor, Khonshu, is also the Bogeyman's benefactor, but nothing really comes of that aside from showing how fucked up Khonshu can be.

Beyond that, zilch. We never get an exact body count from the Bogeyman aside from "lots and lots," but the Bogeyman's brutal MO keeps him for the relatively few pages he's on. Even when he tells the girl he "can't help" what he does when he's hungry, it's just him being a sadist and further screwing with her to make her "taste" better.

Conclusion?

Keeper.


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