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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#268476: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:57:37 PM

Yes to Ryder, good idea on divvying the stuff up!

Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#268477: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:57:48 PM

Actually does anyone else want to handle Thawne? I'm having difficulties finding his comic and I'm also busy with another comic.

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#268479: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:59:48 PM

I can take Thawne too - Beast and I are splitting up Slendy and Siren Head

[nja]'d on Thawne

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jun 29th 2021 at 4:00:12 AM

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#268480: Jun 29th 2021 at 1:00:04 PM

@Scrags: Gears is all yours!

Edited by Ravok on Jun 29th 2021 at 3:20:49 AM

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#268481: Jun 29th 2021 at 1:02:22 PM

@ Master N Malleo wasn't a sockpuppet (at least as far as we know) his entries were deleted because we found his proposals and entries were plagrized

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#268482: Jun 29th 2021 at 1:04:19 PM

God. Damn. That. Is. Frustrating. just bugs mejust bugs mejust bugs mejust bugs mejust bugs me ESPECIALLY since I do the potholing and such just bugs mejust bugs mejust bugs mejust bugs mejust bugs me

Here's a video for the cutscenes for Grodd and Frost:

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#268483: Jun 29th 2021 at 1:06:57 PM

@ACW: I'm gonna redo the write up but keep every pothole extant. Really makes no sense not to...

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#268484: Jun 29th 2021 at 1:09:11 PM

That's fine...it's just, like...I spend the time with the potholes and such (not normally a complaint; I willingly—even gladly—do this), only for it to be all for naught because it's a fucking sockpuppet.

Here's a video for GBA!Brainiac:

Also, honestly? If people vouch for it, and consider the writeups good, I'm fine keeping them.

Ordeaux, you got the sandboxes AND the YMMV stuff?

Edited by ACW on Jun 29th 2021 at 4:13:08 AM

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#268485: Jun 29th 2021 at 1:14:04 PM

It's TVT policy to delete stuff from Ban-Evaders we can't skirt that rule at the very least rewrites are needed, I also already deleted all the ones myself so you don't need to worry ACW.

[up] Yes

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Jun 29th 2021 at 1:14:15 AM

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#268486: Jun 29th 2021 at 1:14:51 PM

And since they were banned the day of the swaps all of the entries had to be added to Former Complete Monsters

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#268487: Jun 29th 2021 at 1:17:19 PM

And I requested the swaps for Fan Works and Fan Works Crossovers (DC Universe is already there; the DC Games swap was gonna be next week).

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#268488: Jun 29th 2021 at 1:19:06 PM

Oh didn't notice I guess the Heroes ones don't need to be there since they were never technically listed on the CM subpages at any point.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Jun 29th 2021 at 1:22:02 AM

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#268489: Jun 29th 2021 at 1:26:07 PM
Thumped: Please see The Rules . This is a warning that this post is the sort of thing that will get you suspended.
My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#268490: Jun 29th 2021 at 1:26:58 PM

[up] He isn’t (at least not yet) but Saddam Hussein is.

Edited by PurpleEyedGuma on Jun 29th 2021 at 4:29:06 AM

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#268491: Jun 29th 2021 at 1:28:47 PM

The page is for characters approved through the thread. I think Cartman was put up without the thread's input and then we cut it.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#268492: Jun 29th 2021 at 1:32:38 PM

Can we, like... stop asking about Cartman? Seriously.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#268493: Jun 29th 2021 at 1:33:07 PM

BTW, for the page swaps, am I missing anything?

And in case you're wondering, for X-Files, I have the link to the main page for Millennium...only it's been the Sandbox, which has gone unnoticed for 4+ months [lol]

YobabyColin Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
#268494: Jun 29th 2021 at 1:35:59 PM

[up] Man, that sucks about Alice. Oh well, at least it seems like the situation has been resolved.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#268495: Jun 29th 2021 at 1:54:57 PM

If I never hear about South Park ever again in this thread, I'll be a happy man. That's specifically dedicated at you and your recurring refusal to ever give this series a break, G—how many times has this thread told you "stop" now?

Edited by Scraggle on Jun 29th 2021 at 2:56:44 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#268496: Jun 29th 2021 at 1:58:35 PM

Honestly... yeah. I don't want a long spewing apology how you ruined it for other fans, I don't want a defensive post about how you only bring it up once every few months and I don't care if you've found some new clever way to technically not be on the. Same. Specific. Subject. With South Park. We've made it clear we're sick of it, you promise to drop it every time G but somehow we always snake back to that goddamn show.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#268497: Jun 29th 2021 at 2:00:04 PM

I'm just convinced it's on purpose at this point. This doesn't just keep happening by accident.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#268498: Jun 29th 2021 at 2:00:47 PM

I don't care that it's in passing. I don't care that it's in terms of "former" CMs. Every time you bring this show up, G, it interferes and distracts from actual process and we've repeatedly said it's not worth your time to continue bringing it up. How many times do we have to repeat ourselves? It is an obsession, the definition of Single-Issue Wonk and it's one not only one of the most annoying but one of the longest-lasting issues I've had to deal with here.

Edited by Scraggle on Jun 29th 2021 at 3:01:56 AM

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#268499: Jun 29th 2021 at 2:02:04 PM

G... just drop it, please. I don't even dislike South Park, but I groan every time it gets brought up in the thread. Why don't you just talk about it in its designated thread?

Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Jun 29th 2021 at 2:05:56 AM

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#268500: Jun 29th 2021 at 2:04:12 PM

If it makes anyone feel better I just hollered my own post and I won’t bring it up there anymore Now can we just forget I said anything please

Edited by G-Editor on Jun 29th 2021 at 5:06:13 AM

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff

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