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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#268451: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:38:36 PM

So cut their candidates and if anyone else wants to do them, they can feel free.

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#268453: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:39:58 PM

[nja]

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Jun 29th 2021 at 12:40:06 PM

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#268454: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:41:43 PM

Damn that also means that we lose the Ratchet and Clank page.

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#268455: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:42:58 PM

First Spooky, then Malleo, and now this? I swear, every new member of the thread turns out to be a sock puppet now.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#268456: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:43:24 PM

I guess I can check out Slender Man vs. Siren Head, seems like my kind of story anyway

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#268457: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:47:04 PM

I can check out the Justice League Heroes ones if nobody minds.

It's Spooky Month!
Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#268458: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:47:34 PM

I figured as much sadly. I can't speak for most of the candidates Alice did, but I can vouch for Courtney Gears—if we want a new proposal I can do one, but if just my verification is enough I can do her a write-up.

Edited by Ravok on Jun 29th 2021 at 12:47:46 PM

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#268459: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:47:35 PM

I suppose I might check Eobard Thawne unless someone else wants it.

Edited by Powermaster201 on Jun 29th 2021 at 3:49:05 PM

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#268460: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:48:01 PM

Who else did the R&C characters, they could check it out.

I'll take the Salesman, as my schedule can allow it.

Edited by nwotyzal on Jun 29th 2021 at 12:51:34 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#268461: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:49:03 PM

I think new proposals would probably be for the best if to get away from this completely.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#268462: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:50:05 PM

TBF, quite a few of his proposals were vetted by people familiar with the series. If anything I'd cut the fanfic examples and keep the Rachet and Clank examples at the least; every single villain he proposed is one I can go out of my way to vet. I'd be quite happy to propose them myself if that's what people want.

Edited by Scraggle on Jun 29th 2021 at 1:50:42 PM

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#268463: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:52:00 PM

[up]Every little bit helps

Edited by nwotyzal on Jun 29th 2021 at 12:52:06 PM

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#268464: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:52:25 PM

Yeah Zurgo I'm not terrifically versed in but Gears I absolutely can and have verified, and she counts—hell, I'd been planning the proposal myself for ages. So we can either leave the write-up as is, someone can just rewrite her, or someone can re-propise and rewrite. Up to the thread to decide.

'Yes' to Ryder, btw.

Edited by Ravok on Jun 29th 2021 at 12:53:09 PM

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#268465: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:52:49 PM

I think reproposing would be safest.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#268466: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:53:21 PM

In more worried about the dc video game villains tbh.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#268467: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:53:29 PM

So that's....what, Zurgo that needs a reproposal aside from Gears from R&C? I can do that easy.

Edited by Scraggle on Jun 29th 2021 at 1:54:08 PM

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#268468: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:54:28 PM

At bare minimum we should do rewrites - personally I say we just go all the way and re-propose as well, but I'm not as picky on that one.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#268469: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:54:31 PM

Then we cut the DC villains unless someone else verifies and proposes

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#268470: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:54:50 PM

[up][up][up]Justice League Heroes game candidates and Thawne from Dark Multiverse is all i can remember.

Gonna vote to repropose them.

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Jun 29th 2021 at 10:55:20 PM

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#268471: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:55:21 PM

I already cut all the entries myself, TVT policy and all. At the bare minimum rewrites need to be done and I would say a reproposal for safety.

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#268472: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:55:37 PM

I'm good if you wanna handle Spears as well Scrags, I got Klunk already so if you want Zurgo and Spears go right ahead!

Tbh I had my doubts about Frost and Grodd alread, but I'm more than happy to wait to hear jackie report!

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#268473: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:56:22 PM

We can keep the R&C candidates, but cut the rest

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#268474: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:56:43 PM

I'm happy to handle Spears as well, though I'm totally not gonna step on your toes if you even remotely want the candidate, Ravs!

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#268475: Jun 29th 2021 at 12:57:32 PM

Yeah, just give me a few days and I can update y'all on Braniac, Frost, and Grodd.

It's Spooky Month!

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