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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

CaptainPinkiePie from Equestria with love Since: Mar, 2019 Relationship Status: Brony
#268202: Jun 28th 2021 at 1:08:39 PM

[tup] Brainiac

Captain Pinkie Pie! Nah, just Pinkie Pie.
VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#268203: Jun 28th 2021 at 1:10:42 PM

For Ratchet & Clank page, considering that image wasn't choosen, i have only one example to propose (literally every other monster in the franchise was too "afar" from his victims for image to be effective):

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/vlcsnap_2021_06_28_23h06m46s985.png

Loki Master possesed Mr. Dinkles and used him as a vessel to perform his evil deeds

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#268205: Jun 28th 2021 at 1:22:51 PM

[up][up]Uh I'm sorry. I can't take that seriously. It just looks weird and goofy with how weirdly adorable he is.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#268206: Jun 28th 2021 at 1:32:19 PM

I also couldn't tell what was going on without the description either.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jun 28th 2021 at 1:32:28 AM

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#268207: Jun 28th 2021 at 1:36:07 PM

The only two images that have gotten votes are the Vox and Nefarious images so we will have to vote on those.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Jun 28th 2021 at 1:37:30 AM

PaynefulAlice Since: May, 2021
#268208: Jun 28th 2021 at 1:40:59 PM

[up]Not to toot my own horn, but I seriously can't tell what's going on in that Emperor Nefarious image

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#268210: Jun 28th 2021 at 1:46:16 PM

Honestly not feeling the Nefarious image either. I'd think use the Vox one until there is something better to replace it with.

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#268211: Jun 28th 2021 at 1:47:47 PM

Yeah that's pretty much my opinion on the images this franchise has not given us very good ones.

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#268212: Jun 28th 2021 at 2:04:05 PM

Yes to Judith and Brainiac

Soooooo I've finished The Mist and... good lord, these ten episodes have one of the highest heinous standards I have ever seen. I have one definite and a maybe, I'll get the EPs down the pipe soon

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#268213: Jun 28th 2021 at 2:06:07 PM

Damn it's really that high for ten episodes. I am looking forward to the EP's, by the way, Star how did the reading for Push go?

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Jun 28th 2021 at 2:13:03 AM

DolphZ Since: Mar, 2019
#268214: Jun 28th 2021 at 2:06:48 PM

[tup] to Judith and another Brainiac.

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#268215: Jun 28th 2021 at 2:07:31 PM

Still working on that, I've had to take it in bursts because holy hell it's hard to read.

The heinous standard is like Lupin III - most of the characters don't pass the baseline, but the ones that do jack it to the moon. Just to give a preview... The Mist itself is sentient and sadistic.

And it can't count because of an honest to God Pet the Dog

[down] When I've done the two EPs, I'll do one of my folders for posterity just to cover everyone

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jun 28th 2021 at 5:14:02 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#268216: Jun 28th 2021 at 2:09:43 PM

The MIST is sapient...and has a Pet the Dog moment??? What happens?

As for Brainiac...seems bad enough, but is he DIFFERENT enough from the other version?

[down][down]Oddly, that place has Frost from MK, when we've determined she DOES count [lol]

Edited by ACW on Jun 28th 2021 at 5:46:55 AM

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#268217: Jun 28th 2021 at 2:10:57 PM

[up][up] So the Mist itself had a Commander Tar Tar moment. Great. What a way to rob us of a good keeper.

Edited by Michealthehero21 on Jun 28th 2021 at 2:11:39 AM

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#268218: Jun 28th 2021 at 2:13:34 PM
Thumped: This post was thumped by the Stick of Off-Topic Thumping. Stay on topic, please.
DoodSlayer136 It's Him from SAGE (Snick Amateur Game Expo) (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
It's Him
#268219: Jun 28th 2021 at 2:36:54 PM

Probably a bit late, but eh, I'll let Star cover that bit when we get there.

Edited by DoodSlayer136 on Jun 28th 2021 at 2:59:36 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#268220: Jun 28th 2021 at 2:38:46 PM

I'd also like more info on Brainiac first and I think I know the wiki you're referring to and I'd really rather we didn't start trying to direct people to it.

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#268221: Jun 28th 2021 at 2:41:50 PM

Also want a little more info on Brainiac.

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#268222: Jun 28th 2021 at 2:41:59 PM

Reposting my real question from my thumped post.

Yeah, I would also like to know how different that Brainiac is.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Jun 28th 2021 at 2:46:57 AM

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#268223: Jun 28th 2021 at 2:48:05 PM

For R&C images, I like the Nefarious image the best

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#268224: Jun 28th 2021 at 2:49:08 PM

Edit: Off-topic, I'll cover this later

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jun 28th 2021 at 5:49:54 AM

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#268225: Jun 28th 2021 at 2:50:04 PM

[tup] to Scab and Judith, [tdown] Game!Thawne. Abstain on Brainiac for now.


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