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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#266228: Jun 18th 2021 at 3:29:17 PM

[tup] Nos, Darus, Mewtwo

Trans rights are human rights. If you don't think that, please leave.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#266229: Jun 18th 2021 at 3:29:19 PM

Yes to Nos.

Paireon: I'm a member of the Grammar Police too [lol] (as a Jew, I prefer that to grammar Nazi).

The first is the one to be kept. It's possible I could've missed something.

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#266230: Jun 18th 2021 at 3:30:12 PM
Thumped: This post was thumped by the Stick of Off-Topic Thumping. Stay on topic, please.
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#266231: Jun 18th 2021 at 3:32:03 PM

Could we move on from this?

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#266233: Jun 18th 2021 at 3:44:24 PM

[tup] NOS

So I ran this quote by Ravok and he supported it:

''"No! I am the Shredder, slayer of mutant turtles! If destroying them means the end of everything, THEN SO BE IT!""
Ch'rell, Turtles Forever

Thoughts?

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#266234: Jun 18th 2021 at 3:46:23 PM

More Omnicidal Maniac than this trope IMO.

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#266235: Jun 18th 2021 at 3:47:22 PM

By the way ACW even though in the official show it is spelt NOS in the fanfic it is Nos, so it will have to be written that way on the writeup.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Jun 18th 2021 at 3:48:02 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#266236: Jun 18th 2021 at 3:52:46 PM

Just make sure to have a (sic) then.

EDITA: Oh, and can someone please add the image to the XIII page?

Edited by ACW on Jun 18th 2021 at 6:53:52 AM

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#266238: Jun 18th 2021 at 3:55:48 PM

'Yes' to another NOS, love that vampiric vile lad

I dig the Ch'rell quote indeed!

Here's both Mairon and, with miraculous' blessing, Dr. Psycho:

  • Justice League: Gods and Monsters prequel comic: Jackson Alpert, better known as Dr. Psycho, is an egomaniacal madman who seeks to evolve humanity to the next stage so he may lord over it as a god. Having taken part in the CIA's MKUltra experiments, Psycho performed extra tests on his subjects to turn them into rampaging mutants who wreaked death and havoc. Years later, Psycho keeps a group of superhumans as his enslaved experiments, threatening to agonizingly end their elongated lives at a moment's notice if they dare question his orders. After a failed attempt to torturously experiment on Superman, Dr. Psycho transforms himself into "Imperiex" and lays siege to Earth with his evolved humans, letting them run rampant while he controls the Justice League in his plan to eradicate the minds of all life on Earth and impose his own will onto them. Uncaring for the dozens who he tortures and experiments on and even less for the hundreds who die by his schemes, Psycho is called out by the League for disguising his blatantly self-serving goals as "peace" for humankind.

  • The Sandman:
    • August 1993's "Cluracan's Tale": Mairon is the Carnifex Carys of Aurelia and the Psychopomp of the entire land, having manipulated his way into gaining total physical and spiritual control over the kingdom by murdering the true heir. Oppressing the people of Aurelia with brutal taxes and starvation while trying to expand this tyranny to other lands, Mairon indulges in any depraved debauchery he likes, implied to casually bed young boys and girls at his leisure. Mairon regularly executes anyone who crosses him, enjoying personally gouging their eyes out and pissing in the sockets, and he uses the threat of damning them after death to further terrorize them. When Cluracan causes a minor rebellion against Mairon's rule, Mairon intends to respond by murdering 10% of Aurelia's population and condemn their souls to Hell for eternity, completely defiling the religious powers he is meant to use for good.

Edited by Ravok on Jun 18th 2021 at 3:56:24 AM

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#266239: Jun 18th 2021 at 3:59:42 PM

ACW there is a problem the images aren't actually combined on the image themselves they were just posted on the same place.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Jun 18th 2021 at 4:00:03 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#266240: Jun 18th 2021 at 4:03:48 PM

Oh hell. I can either do it later, or if someone else would they can do what I did for Wyald:

  • Save them to your computer.
  • Use this site to combine them.
  • Save the combined image to your computer (preferably with the character's name).
  • Upload to TV Tropes.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#266241: Jun 18th 2021 at 4:08:19 PM

More Tarzan incoming (1-2 candidates) but here's mine:

  • The Sandman:
    • "Thermidor": Maximilien Robespierre, architect of the Reign of Terror, comes into conflict with Johanna Constantine and the never-dying head of Orpheus. Beyond sending men, women and children to the guillotine by the thousands under the pretext of birthing France anew, Robespierre also indulges in sadistic pastimes like using the headless bodies of political rivals in macabre puppet shows, and threatens Johanna with far worse should she resist him.
  • Tarzan: The Epic Adventures:
    • "Tarzan and the Lost Legion": "Emperor" Claudius, a descendant of Julius Caesar himself in line for the throne to the lost Roman city Casta Mare, took power by exiling his brother Augustus and his family in a brutal coup. Claudius crucifies anyone who opposes his reign, and turned the circus from a place of amusement to a place of slaughter, instituting brutal gladiator fights that kill even more people for the sake of his amusement. Claudius throws Augustus to die in the arena and, when a guard sympathetic to Augustus refuses to execute him, Claudius has his his champion Casca kill them both. Claudius even kills Casca after Tarzan beats him in a gladiator match, and tries to break Tarzan's will by making him fight his own friend Themba in the arena.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#266242: Jun 18th 2021 at 4:10:37 PM

In that case, I'll hold off on submitting the Tarzan stuff this week.

P.S. Scraggle, what in the name of Nightmare Fuel are those HYBRID PLANT EXPERIMENTS?

Edited by ACW on Jun 18th 2021 at 7:12:28 AM

SumDumNerd LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED from [REDACTED] Since: May, 2017 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#266244: Jun 18th 2021 at 4:25:50 PM

Thanks ravok. And fantastic write ups from both you and scraggle

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#266245: Jun 18th 2021 at 4:33:08 PM

@ACW: Felidae, that infamous 1990s noir movie that had cat sex and cats getting disemboweled and dead cats on puppet strings and—

I realize at this point I must come off as something of a psychopath, but really. It's a good movie and I've been meaning to check the book series it was based for CM (that the books are in German is the main hurdle—the Big Bad in the first book/movie is bad enough by a landslide but he has numerous mitigating factors, mostly an awful backstory and a pitiable death).

k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#266246: Jun 18th 2021 at 4:33:55 PM

Speaking of Robespierre, I've been seriously considering doing an EP or two for the 1982 adaptation of The Scarlet Pimpernel (1982) (the version that stars Ian McKellen as Chauvelin).

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#266248: Jun 18th 2021 at 4:36:50 PM

Scraggle: Please, W is jaded by this thread. Plus, I don't think you guys would be friends if either of you were a psychopath.

You guys actually seem like decent people who I wouldn't mind interacting with in person.

Yes for Nos.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Jun 18th 2021 at 7:40:18 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#266249: Jun 18th 2021 at 4:38:52 PM

Yes, quite jaded [lol]

I think Claudandus/Pascal WAS listed awhile back actually.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#266250: Jun 18th 2021 at 4:41:41 PM

[tup] to Nos

K410ren: Oh, sounds intriguing. I have to admit I won't be surprised if their are more candidates considering how popular and influential the character is.


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