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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#264851: Jun 13th 2021 at 6:51:35 PM

[up][up][up] Got to be honest, my first thought when I saw it was the person was holding the stick and had just stabbed the dog.

Snowy66 Since: May, 2012
#264852: Jun 13th 2021 at 6:54:58 PM

Yea, you can't really tell what's happening in the image. Could just be a person lying down on the ground.

TadiTadTa The Dark Priest himself from Probably Side 3 Since: Nov, 2020
The Dark Priest himself
#264853: Jun 13th 2021 at 6:58:06 PM

Alright..also, I just remembered that Dragon Quest V has a PS 2 version so I found a clearer image of the infamous sence of Ladja

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/polish_20210614_095255844.png
So now I am sending parent and child together into eternal world of darkness. It is touching, nyet?

I think Iike Gundam and Dragon Quest too much
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#264855: Jun 13th 2021 at 7:01:26 PM

I don't get it....

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#264856: Jun 13th 2021 at 7:02:03 PM

I still have no idea what's happening

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#264857: Jun 13th 2021 at 7:03:01 PM

[up]It's a guy putting a scythe to a kid's throat, but the quality/lighting/color palette makes it too hard to make out on a first look, IMO. [tdown]

Edited by nrjxll on Jun 13th 2021 at 9:03:19 AM

TadiTadTa The Dark Priest himself from Probably Side 3 Since: Nov, 2020
The Dark Priest himself
#264858: Jun 13th 2021 at 7:03:48 PM

If this isn't okay too, should I use the pic of Zaboera killing his own minions in the manga? The thing is, I worry that it would be spolier for those that only watched the anime

I think Iike Gundam and Dragon Quest too much
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#264859: Jun 13th 2021 at 7:04:33 PM

Yeah. What exactly is happening there?

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#264860: Jun 13th 2021 at 7:11:28 PM

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/ladjia_cm.png
"So now I am sending parent and child together into eternal world of darkness. It is touching, nyet?"

Tried to see if I could take a better image myself.

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#264862: Jun 13th 2021 at 7:15:48 PM

Do you think there’s some more angles so we can get a better idea of what it is?

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#264863: Jun 13th 2021 at 7:16:12 PM

[tup] Malekeith.

[tup] Basket Ball Demon guy.

[tup] McCall.

[tup] Dream.

[tup] The Forgotten One.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#264864: Jun 13th 2021 at 7:22:17 PM

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/dai_cm_image.jpeg

I have this last image but the problem Is according to Tadi this is a major spoiler for the Manga so I'm not sure about this. If this is rejected the page might need to be imageless for now since neither me or Tadi have been able to find a good one.

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#264865: Jun 13th 2021 at 7:24:16 PM

[tup] Malekith and the Forgotten One.

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#264866: Jun 13th 2021 at 7:29:08 PM

[up][up]Best one so far, I’ll give a [tup]

GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#264867: Jun 13th 2021 at 7:32:54 PM

Aye to Malekith, the forgotten one, and the latest image.

J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#264868: Jun 13th 2021 at 7:33:54 PM

I like the latest image suggestion.

Also am I the only one who finds the Monster.Hellraiser page quote lacking?

"They didn't tell you, did they? They've changed the rules of the fairy tale. Now I'm no longer just the wicked stepmother. Now I'm the evil queen. So come on!"
Julia Cotton, to her stepdaughter Kirsty, after killing the latter's Love Interest, Hellbound: Hellraiser II

I don't really get this trope from it. Nothing screams pure evil.

Edited by Bullman on Jun 13th 2021 at 9:38:58 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#264869: Jun 13th 2021 at 7:37:28 PM

Eh, not feeling the quote either.

Edited by Powermaster201 on Jun 13th 2021 at 10:43:19 AM

MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#264870: Jun 13th 2021 at 7:44:40 PM

[tup]Malk, Mc Call, Dream, Foggoten.

Also nice image Ord, although someone else had the idea.

Edited by MasterJoseph on Jun 13th 2021 at 8:55:05 AM

IPP Wick Check created.
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#264871: Jun 13th 2021 at 7:58:43 PM

Technically Tadi got it, he had to leave so I uploaded it, anyway, since people are in favor of it I will add it.

As for the Hellraiser Quote I'm not the biggest fan of it but I am willing to keep it unless you have a better quote suggestion.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#264873: Jun 13th 2021 at 8:04:34 PM

[tup] Malekith, Number XI, Basketballm'n, Fractos, and the Forgotten One.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#264874: Jun 13th 2021 at 8:11:27 PM

I was thinking something from Bloodline!Pinhead. Like this:

Pinhead: Two minutes. Two centuries. It all ticks by so quickly. You are so very like your ancestor, did you know that? I have the distinct sense of déjà vu. The same defiance, the same faithless hope in the light.
Paul Merchant: And what do you have faith in?
Pinhead: Nothing. I am SO exquisitely empty.

or:

"Glorious, is it not? The creatures who walk its surface, always looking to the light, never seeing the untold oceans of darkness beyond. There are more humans alive today than in all of its pitiful history. The Garden of Eden. A garden of flesh."
Pinhead to Paul Merchant, Hellraiser: Bloodline

or:

Pinhead: Young... unformed... oh, what appetites I could teach him.
Bobbi Merchant: Just give him to me, please!
Pinhead: Aha ha, oh, you suffer beautifully. But I am here for business, not pleasure.
Bobbi Merchant: Just tell me what you want!
Pinhead: Oh, I want bait... live bait...

I am not really a fan of the last one, but am just putting it out there.

Edited by Bullman on Jun 13th 2021 at 10:14:45 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]

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