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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#263276: Jun 6th 2021 at 12:36:40 PM

Btw ACW I was gonna hold off but did you want my Lupin stuff up till now so we can save the YMMV page for Hemingway Papers?

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#263277: Jun 6th 2021 at 12:38:47 PM

[tup]dirmmamu

@scrags: Is it mcu dormmamu ?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#263279: Jun 6th 2021 at 12:52:06 PM

[tup] Carlos, Cosano and Dormammu.
Cut Mash.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#263280: Jun 6th 2021 at 12:59:35 PM

@ACW: That character that you were asking about was Maj Addin and it looks like Rufio is going to meet the same fate as him.

Anyhow [tup] to Carlos, Cosano and Dormammu.

Cut Mash

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#263281: Jun 6th 2021 at 1:01:35 PM

I was planning on proposing Timosa and an obscure bad guy from the Valhalla side quest's "Lady of The Lake" after I completed the main game but given that AC already has a high heinous standard especially with Lighty saying that he couldn't find any keepers there, I'll just wait until I also finished playing its DLC contents "Wrath of Druids" and "Siege of Paris" as who knows what kind of villains will contribute to the heinous standard.

Why in Odin's name would you think either of them count, G?

I need to be really, really clear now...this is giving me real problems. There's only one guy in Valhalla worthy of discussion, incidentally and I'm still conflicted on him.

Edited by Lightysnake on Jun 6th 2021 at 1:07:53 AM

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#263282: Jun 6th 2021 at 1:05:12 PM

Anyway, here are some pothole suggestions:

And that's all I have for now.

Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Jun 6th 2021 at 1:06:36 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#263284: Jun 6th 2021 at 1:16:46 PM

Also I'll just drop these off:

  • Mystery of the Hemingway Papers: President Carlos and Combalona Maledorich Nanno Consano embroil Corcaca Island in war, driving out the residents to hunt for the eponymous treasure. Throwing away the lives of their men en masse, Cosano even takes to recruiting an international Arms Dealer to bolster his side before betraying and killing the man to take his mercenaries. Shakily allying to dig for the treasure, the two force their entire forces into treacherous conditions just to devote all manpower to their expedition.
  • Lupin III The Italian Adventure:
    • "With a Gun in My Hand": Eric "The Unkiller" Orgiani is a sadistic crime boss who goes from town to town forcing protection money from the residents until he runs them dry. Given his moniker for his preferred method of punishment, Eric has his men non-fatally shoot any resistors, leaving hospitals full of the "living dead", even crippling a child and old man for slighting him.
    • "Requiem for the Assassins: Leopoldo Fago is a popular politician whose success hides a dark secret. Raising the orphan girl Belladonna as his personal assassin, Fago has her eliminate rival criminals as well as his other assassins to hide his activities. With Belladonna completely twisted to his will, Fago also molests her at his leisure and even planted a bomb within her, viewing her as his doll to do with as he sees hit.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#263285: Jun 6th 2021 at 1:19:22 PM

So is Rufio a definite cut?

Also, I think I know which Dormammu it is, and I don't think it's the MCU one.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#263286: Jun 6th 2021 at 1:22:55 PM

Anyone want to compile the votes on him?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#263287: Jun 6th 2021 at 1:50:23 PM

[tup] to Dormammu

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
hegelvonaxel Since: Feb, 2018
#263288: Jun 6th 2021 at 1:56:24 PM

Regarding Lady of the Lake from Valhalla, she seems geniunely insane.

Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#263289: Jun 6th 2021 at 1:59:26 PM

Yes to Dormammu.

LargoQuagmire Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#263291: Jun 6th 2021 at 2:05:57 PM

I don't remember if I voted, but just do whatever you want with Rufio.

Edited by nwotyzal on Jun 6th 2021 at 2:06:07 AM

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#263293: Jun 6th 2021 at 2:13:46 PM

Got a Rufio count that I'll edit as things go - someone correct me if I missed something but as of right now he's being cut

Keep: 2note 

Abstain: 3note 

Cut: 9note 

Yes to Dormammu btw

[down] Cool, thanks

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jun 6th 2021 at 5:19:58 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#263294: Jun 6th 2021 at 2:14:28 PM

Yes I favour a cut

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#263295: Jun 6th 2021 at 2:17:17 PM

[tup] Dormy

Cut Ruffio

It's Spooky Month!
k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#263296: Jun 6th 2021 at 2:39:11 PM

Hey ACW, a couple months back or so I created a page for the Slasher Movie franchise ‘’Prom Night’’, so Mary Lou Maloney and Richard Fenton can have their entries placed there on the YMMV page. Nobody else in the franchise counts; it’s been awhile since I saw the fourth film but the Big Bad from the original does not count at all.

Oh, and for numbers if Peter Pettigrew is indeed going up, he kills 1 (Cedric Diggory). We don’t see any of the victims of the bombing at any point. Though… remind me how Wormtail managed to equal Voldemort in heinousness? That’s my big question on him going up.

Edited by k410ren on Jun 6th 2021 at 5:43:33 AM

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#263297: Jun 6th 2021 at 2:43:27 PM

Wormtail is one of the key forces behind his resurrection and knows full well what will happen as a result, so Voldemort's return and rampage can be blamed on him too - plus, it's his fault that Voldemort can even kill Lily and James to start the whole franchise in the first place.

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jun 6th 2021 at 5:46:21 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#263298: Jun 6th 2021 at 2:43:31 PM

We already downvoyed Father Jonas from the 4th film. He's apparently genuinely not right in the head.

[up]He also did the massAcre that Sirius got framed for.

Edited by miraculous on Jun 6th 2021 at 2:44:24 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#263299: Jun 6th 2021 at 2:44:11 PM

Thanks, guys.

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#263300: Jun 6th 2021 at 3:03:10 PM

[tup] to Carlos, Combalona Maledorich Nanno Cosano, and Dormammu.

Cut Crazy Mash.


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