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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

LargoQuagmire Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#263076: Jun 4th 2021 at 2:01:36 PM

[tup] Vargas, Fago, and... Saddam Hussein. This thread is always a trip.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#263077: Jun 4th 2021 at 2:11:45 PM

Yeah we'll let Ravok clear the way but Star and I will hold off on our Lupin stuff until ACW is ready for the onslaught that growing page is about to get lol. Probably chill on it until at least Tuesday so you can submit your stuff!

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#263078: Jun 4th 2021 at 2:40:18 PM

I'm not uploading my Appleseed write-ups until I'm officially done scrubbing through the franchise.

  • Corpse Killer: Dr. Hellman is a necro biologist who plans to create a new world order with his army of the undead. Originally the head of Project Manpower, which provided the United States with undead soldiers to fight in wars, Hellman would also allow his zombies to be used to slaughter several third world countries, even rigging cameras onto them to record the carnage. After resigning to the Cay Noir island, Hellman uses the island’s undead as personal slaves, with the intent to unleash his zombies all across the globe. Kidnapping four of five soldiers sent by the U.S. government to take him out, Hellman tortures and converts them into mutant zombies to fight their Lieutenant.

It's Spooky Month!
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
FriedWarthog Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#263080: Jun 4th 2021 at 2:51:49 PM

Yes to Saddam, Fago, and Walton.

So in related news... this is probably going to sound very weird to anyone familiar with the series, but I think I'm going to pencil myself in for some Monster Hunter Rise-related discussion next week if no one objects. No idea where said discussion is going to go, but without going into spoilers I think we're due for an interesting conversation.

ANewMan A total has-been. Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A total has-been.
#263081: Jun 4th 2021 at 2:53:45 PM

[tup] Saddam, Walton, Fago, and Love Machine

TellAll111 Since: Jun, 2010
#263082: Jun 4th 2021 at 2:54:14 PM

[tup] for the Great Fox, Talos, Mr. X, Welles!Dracula, Unquenchable!Dracula, Mamo, Love Machine, Saddam Hussein, Vargas, and Fago.

[tdown] for Equinox and Gylan. (both tentative.)

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#263083: Jun 4th 2021 at 3:00:38 PM

Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about, Fried. I'm all up for a PM.

hegelvonaxel Since: Feb, 2018
#263084: Jun 4th 2021 at 3:06:00 PM

About this Assassin's creed entry

  • The Hidden Ones DLC: Roman General Gaius Julius Rufio is a member of the Order of the Ancients, though he plans to undermine his fellow allies Cleopatra and Mark Antony, while claiming all of Egypt for himself. He has his lieutenants enslave the people living in the Sinai Peninsula, forcing them to work in poor conditions before killing them, via crucifixion, once they are no longer useful. Learning where the Hidden One's hideout is located, he would destroy it, killing many assassins there, and crucify Bayek before torturing his friend to death. Rufio would later set numerous villages throughout the peninsula ablaze, massacring dozens of innocents, while having the survivors drowned by his boat to Make an Example of Them.

Problem is with part about setting numerous village ablaze. Apart from Arsinoe, all of them are set ablaze while Rufio was in Rome in massacres provoked by Gamilat. So if anyone could be blamed than it would be his lieutenants.

Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#263085: Jun 4th 2021 at 3:08:59 PM

And Oh I was wondering about him, Yeah, [tdown] to Equinox sadly. Least he keeps in the comics, Kinda(He's based on Libra)

Bow to the Prototype
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#263086: Jun 4th 2021 at 3:14:46 PM

Sorta. Hes a Composite Character being a mix of Eclipso as well.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#263087: Jun 4th 2021 at 3:24:26 PM

Hegel: Well in that case the line about massacring the villages should be cut (or at least limited to the one he did). Likewise if he's not responsible for the massacres, is he still heinous enough to qualify? Especially considering it sounds like Gamilat has more blood on his hands?

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#263088: Jun 4th 2021 at 3:49:18 PM

[tup] to fago and saddam

Question: for Mega Man X does sigma only count in an alternate continuity?

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#263089: Jun 4th 2021 at 3:50:39 PM

[up]Something like that and the Archie Comics.

[tup]Fago

IPP Wick Check created.
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#263090: Jun 4th 2021 at 4:01:41 PM

Sigma only keeps in the Archie continuity and the Maverick Hunter continuity (a one-game "reboot" of the X series that went nowhere), yes.

Edited by Scraggle on Jun 4th 2021 at 5:02:59 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#263091: Jun 4th 2021 at 4:21:45 PM

@N, Just noticed but to clarify, the "a" in Fago's name gets an "awh" sound, not an "aah" one as you seem to think. It's like Fargo without the "r".

Edited by 43110 on Jun 4th 2021 at 7:21:55 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#263093: Jun 4th 2021 at 4:26:52 PM

[up][up] I see. Foreign pronunciations sometimes trip me up. Thanks.

[up] I’ll subject myself to it... nah, just kidding. Would not touch that even if you paid me.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#263096: Jun 4th 2021 at 4:36:57 PM

[up][up] Wow, it’s the page image for the Funny page.

So, yesterday was actually my birthday. Sadly, I don’t have an EP yet.

Edited by MasterN on Jun 4th 2021 at 4:37:11 AM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Looperreallyreallyrocks Since: Jun, 2018
#263097: Jun 4th 2021 at 5:07:20 PM

[up] spits out drink

Anyways, [tup] Fago, and @Master N happy birthday.

GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#263098: Jun 4th 2021 at 5:13:36 PM
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#263099: Jun 4th 2021 at 5:14:37 PM

A late happy birthday MasterN.

I still feel that Hegel's point about Rufio should be discussed, if he doesn't actually do what his write up claims he does.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#263100: Jun 4th 2021 at 5:16:18 PM

Yeah uh guys don't ignore it.

Late happy birthday N.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

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