During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Vargas, Fago, and... Saddam Hussein. This thread is always a trip.
I'm not uploading my Appleseed write-ups until I'm officially done scrubbing through the franchise.
- Corpse Killer: Dr. Hellman is a necro biologist who plans to create a new world order with his army of the undead. Originally the head of Project Manpower, which provided the United States with undead soldiers to fight in wars, Hellman would also allow his zombies to be used to slaughter several third world countries, even rigging cameras onto them to record the carnage. After resigning to the Cay Noir island, Hellman uses the island’s undead as personal slaves, with the intent to unleash his zombies all across the globe. Kidnapping four of five soldiers sent by the U.S. government to take him out, Hellman tortures and converts them into mutant zombies to fight their Lieutenant.
Yes to Saddam, Fago, and Walton.
So in related news... this is probably going to sound very weird to anyone familiar with the series, but I think I'm going to pencil myself in for some Monster Hunter Rise-related discussion next week if no one objects. No idea where said discussion is going to go, but without going into spoilers I think we're due for an interesting conversation.
About this Assassin's creed entry
- The Hidden Ones DLC: Roman General Gaius Julius Rufio is a member of the Order of the Ancients, though he plans to undermine his fellow allies Cleopatra and Mark Antony, while claiming all of Egypt for himself. He has his lieutenants enslave the people living in the Sinai Peninsula, forcing them to work in poor conditions before killing them, via crucifixion, once they are no longer useful. Learning where the Hidden One's hideout is located, he would destroy it, killing many assassins there, and crucify Bayek before torturing his friend to death. Rufio would later set numerous villages throughout the peninsula ablaze, massacring dozens of innocents, while having the survivors drowned by his boat to Make an Example of Them.
Problem is with part about setting numerous village ablaze. Apart from Arsinoe, all of them are set ablaze while Rufio was in Rome in massacres provoked by Gamilat. So if anyone could be blamed than it would be his lieutenants.
Sorta. Hes a Composite Character being a mix of Eclipso as well.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Hegel: Well in that case the line about massacring the villages should be cut (or at least limited to the one he did). Likewise if he's not responsible for the massacres, is he still heinous enough to qualify? Especially considering it sounds like Gamilat has more blood on his hands?
to fago and saddam
Question: for Mega Man X does sigma only count in an alternate continuity?
HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIAHappy birthday MasterN!
J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
