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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#263052: Jun 4th 2021 at 12:37:47 PM

Here. Me and 43 are working on psycho. But this is an easy one to get out.

  • The Lurker at the Threshold: Abdul Alhazred is known as the Mad Arab and is the creator of the Necronomicon. A worshipper of Yog-sotoh, Abdul intends to allow his master dominion over this world for power and wisdom at the cost of the extinction of the human race in turn. Using the Necronomicon to release the Outer Gods on the city to slaughter it, Abdul also intends to brainwash a young woman into a Breeding Slave for his master.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#263053: Jun 4th 2021 at 12:39:13 PM

[tup] to Mr X, Count Dracula, Count Dracula, Mamos, Gylan Cadun, Love Machine, Sadam Hussein and Vargas Walton.

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#263054: Jun 4th 2021 at 12:39:19 PM

[tup] Love Machine.

[tup] Saddam.

[tup] Walton.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#263057: Jun 4th 2021 at 12:56:15 PM

Yes to Saddam and Walton as we discussed.

Now with thanks to Scraggle for noting this dude, let's go back to The Italian Adventure: specifically to the Goemon-centred episode 10 ("Requiem for the Assassins"):

Who is Fago? What has he done?

A handsome young politician known for being tough on crime and so popular he's got a shot at becoming President... Leopoldo Fago also just so happens to be corrupt as all fuck himself. Introduced having Goemon and a group of other hired assassins take out a dictator and his nigh-unstoppable sniper. The mission seems to be a success, only for the assassins to start dropping like flies seemingly by the surviving sniper of the dictator.

In actuality Fago molded the young assassin Belladonna from her youth as a street urchin into his personal sex toy, hitwoman and cleanup crew. Having her murder the assassins to keep anything from coming back to him, Fago tries to have her murder Goemon as well only for her to spare him, having fallen in love with the samurai. Attacking Fago's manor Goemon faces down Belladonna and the crooked politician. Here Fago reveals his most sinister design: a bomb within Belladonna set to destroy "[his] doll", mocking Goemon for trying to save her and trying to talk him into letting Belladonna shoot him dead lest Fago kill her too.

At this point Belladonna snaps and murders Fago before trying to activate her own bomb to absolve herself of the guilt at Fago making her kill her comrades. Fortunately, the magical swordsman Geomon performs literal surgery with his blade and non-fatally cuts it out of her.

Heinousness?

Another Mike Logan situation. He's groomed a girl from youth to be his sex toy, as well as making her kill at his command and then have to murder her own friends as he demands. She's so broken she tries to kill herself even after he's gone.

Mitigating factors?

Faux Affably Evil is as deep as it goes. Under the smile he's all just ambition.

Verdict?

Keeper.

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#263058: Jun 4th 2021 at 12:58:34 PM

[tup] Vagnus and Fago

It's Spooky Month!
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#263059: Jun 4th 2021 at 12:59:41 PM

[tup]Fago

Think at this point part V is the only one of the series not to have anyone.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#263060: Jun 4th 2021 at 1:02:16 PM

Yes to Love Machine as well! Great work there!

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#263062: Jun 4th 2021 at 1:07:27 PM

Yes to Fago.

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#263063: Jun 4th 2021 at 1:07:28 PM

Yes to Fago

Kinda funny, how in the series where mass murder is supposedly common, villains can qualify based solely on the fact how horrific was their torment of a single person.

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Jun 4th 2021 at 11:08:50 AM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#263064: Jun 4th 2021 at 1:10:18 PM

Yes to Fago.

Got some writeups here:

  • Castlevania (2017): "Death"—the true identity of the seemingly blowhard vampire Varney—is revealed to be the mastermind behind the fourth season's conflict, and a creature far worse than Dracula ever was at his cruelest. A gluttonous, sadistic Ancient Evil who has been feeding on souls since the birth of humanity, Death personally partook in Dracula's attempted genocide against humanity with the anticipation of a feast, only to be left disappointed and hungry upon Dracula's demise. Solely so he'd never be hungry again, Death concocts a plan to manipulate the Count St. Germain into evil as part of a complex scheme to pluck both Dracula and Lisa's souls from Hell, upon which Death fuses them both into the same body in a state of pure agony. Death intends to drive Dracula so insane with his wife's screaming soul he'll slaughter the entire planet, a prospect Death is all too entertained and delighted by.

  • Dracula: Count Dracula is, as ever, an undead fiend with an air of terrifying sophistication who strives to turn all of England into his feeding ground. Dracula takes on Jonathan Harker as his real estate agent before his trip to England, only to leave Jonathan Harker trapped in his castle surrounded by wolves when Harker figures out too much about Dracula, intending to leave Harker to go mad from the solitude in his confinement. Dracula arrives in England after slaughtering a ship full of people and promptly begins dispersing coffins across the country, feeding on the beautiful Lucy Westenra and attempting to take the beautiful Mina for his own too.

  • Sorrows, by Jonathan Janz: Ray Rubio is a two-bit thug unconnected to Gabriel or any of his machinations who manages to match the Humanoid Abomination in savage evil. A gangster on the payroll of Marvin Irvin, Ray Rubio is a Serial Killer, a Serial Rapist and a torturer who introduces himself in the second book working at an unfortunate man with a mandolin slicer. Ray proceeds to slaughter numerous other people as he goes on, in one case raping and murdering an unfortunate jogger after she witnesses him offing a pair of FBI agents, and even after being trapped in the castle within the bowels of the Sorrows, all Rubio can think about is his intent to rape and kill everyone he comes across.

  • Just Another Judgment Day: Josie Prince is the founder and funder of "Precious Memories," one of the most abhorrent businesses in the already wretched societies of the Nightside. Josie has children kidnapped off the streets of London to become sex slaves and worse, having them raped, mutilated and tortured before the kids finally wear out and are fed to dogs. Josie has these atrocities recorded to artificial memories she then sells to her depraved clients so they can get off to the agony of children anytime they want, long after the kids themselves are dead. One of the most ruthless, sadistic people in the entire Nightside, Josie is even reputed to have killed her own kids, the oldest because he wasn't turning in enough profit, the youngest because he was exposed to the horrors of Precious Memories himself.

  • Serious Sam 4: Lord Achriman is the chief strategist and propagandist of the alien overlord Tah-Um, better known as "Mental," who on his master's behalf has made a thousand worlds across the galaxy cow and burn, their races either exterminated or enslaved. Achriman spearheads a similar assault against Earth, razing entire cities like Paris and Rome while having people either killed by the millions or converted into mindless, mutated fodder for Tah-Um's armies. Achriman even personally murders Sam's rookie friend Kenny in front of Sam's face just to hurt him. Unusually and distinctly dark for the World of Ham he lives in, Achriman is the vilest ever yet seen of Mental's armies.

Edited by Scraggle on Jun 4th 2021 at 2:12:27 AM

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#263065: Jun 4th 2021 at 1:11:02 PM

[tup] Saddam, Walton, and the man with the unfortunate last name.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#263066: Jun 4th 2021 at 1:18:33 PM

[tup] to Vargas, Fago and Saddam aka Satan’s abusive boyfriend.

Say I dont mean to rush, but I what about Zobek? I thought that he might get posted before the write-ups, Will he be up soon?

Edited by G-Editor on Jun 3rd 2021 at 10:24:57 PM

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#263067: Jun 4th 2021 at 1:23:28 PM

And a happy yes to Fago for another brutal one-off!

Honestly, because the original shows shy away from showing explicit death all that often, the best way I can describe it is that the baseline isn’t huge, but the few that pass it jack it to the freaking sky - like there’s a warmonger in Kyosuke Mamo’s movie that can’t count because Mamo himself does so freaking much at once

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jun 4th 2021 at 4:26:20 AM

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#263068: Jun 4th 2021 at 1:24:18 PM

[up][up][up] Maybe it's pronounced "Fay-go".

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#263070: Jun 4th 2021 at 1:27:58 PM

Say, I don’t think we ever came to a conclusion for the Enchantress. She can probably still keep under the new agency rules, but did anyone ever check that part out where it says she was made of twisted magicks or something?

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#263071: Jun 4th 2021 at 1:29:01 PM

Weren't we also supposed to discuss if she really was heinous enough as well ?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#263073: Jun 4th 2021 at 1:43:12 PM

I never really bought the agency thing to begin with, from what I recall the supposed issue was that she was the avatar for a scary looking tower...Alright, we've had Genius Loci keeps before, does it being, scary looking imply it was Made of Evil or something?

The Heinousness talk is worth having probably.

[tup] to Fago.

Edited by Snoketrope on Jun 4th 2021 at 1:43:39 AM

Bow to the Prototype
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#263075: Jun 4th 2021 at 1:50:33 PM

Yes to Fago.

Once Ravok does his writeups, I'm calling for a moratorium please until I can clear the Drafts page out.


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