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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#259951: May 13th 2021 at 12:58:35 PM

Also, guys? Can we please get writeups for Simon Townshend and Robin King?

Also, I'd like to have the Herc-Xena page finalized by the end of the month.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#259953: May 13th 2021 at 1:05:16 PM

[tup] to Black Beetle. I really enjoyed the first two seasons (haven’t seen the third yet) and man, I remember very little of the show if at all. Then again, its been years (late 2016-early 2017 was when I watched if not just late 2016).

Edited by futuremoviewriter on May 13th 2021 at 1:42:13 AM

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#259955: May 13th 2021 at 1:08:07 PM

[tup] to Black Beetle, was wondering on him for awhile.

Bow to the Prototype
Silverblade2 Since: Jan, 2013
#259956: May 13th 2021 at 1:12:34 PM

I vaguely remember Black beetle saving a villainess though I'm unsure.

EDIT:ah, it's Shimmer

Edited by Silverblade2 on May 13th 2021 at 10:15:00 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#259957: May 13th 2021 at 1:15:18 PM

The scientist. It wasn't out of the goodness of his heart, she was needed for their plans and he was still under orders then

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#259958: May 13th 2021 at 1:15:18 PM

He straight up said "You. You can still be useful." to her during this.

Edited by VeryVileVillian on May 13th 2021 at 11:16:13 AM

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#259959: May 13th 2021 at 1:16:51 PM

[tup] BB, wonder how it took so long for this guy to be disscused.

LargoQuagmire Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
YobabyColin Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#259968: May 13th 2021 at 2:58:20 PM

Yes to Black Beetle, I'll probably take a while with the next candidate from Young Justice (if he'll end up counting that is).

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#259969: May 13th 2021 at 2:59:21 PM

So I finished Yasuke. PM me if you want to discuss potential keepers.

It's Spooky Month!
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#259970: May 13th 2021 at 3:21:29 PM

I ask again: Should Series.Herc Xenaverse be changed to Franchise.Herc Xenaverse? We got TV, a video game, comics, an animated film...

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#259971: May 13th 2021 at 3:30:14 PM

Yep. You can make one. Franchise pages just require the works be in 3 mediums on the site.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#259972: May 13th 2021 at 3:31:09 PM

Only if it has work pages (not just works) in at least 3 mediums.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#259973: May 13th 2021 at 3:33:05 PM

Oh yeah.

It has video game , series and animated film if your wondering so we're good.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#259975: May 13th 2021 at 3:35:07 PM

Yeah, you can someone just needs to do it.


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