During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
I'm sure DD is not a WIE, especially since he has a complete Lack of Empathy, and outright ignores Kiryu's speech about life.
Alright, before I try to find the Yakuza movie and find out if anyone counts, here are the write ups, as for Tsuneo's write up, I made a few additions and changes to the previous write up, while trying to make sure it didn't get too long. In any case, here they are:
- Yakuza 2 (Includes Kiwami 2): Ryo Takashima is the Chief Director of the Omi Alliance and is the true mastermind behind the events of the game. Desiring to destroy both the Tojo Clan and the Omi Alliance and rule the nation's Yakuza, he teams up with Jingweon Mafia survivor, Yukio Terada, to pit the Tojo and the Omi against each other by having Ryuji Goda rebel against his father and start a war with the Tojo, endangering countless lives in the process. Takashima would later allow Terada and the Jingweon to plan bombs throughout Kamurocho just so he can eliminate the Tojo and the Omi, uncaring for the lives that would be lost. Once his enemies are weakened after Ryuji's defeat, he betrays and murders both Terada and Jin Goda, before attempting to kill Kiryu, Kaoru, and Ryuji as well, while planning to spread the Jingweon into the mainland so he can expand his empire.
- Yakuza 6: Tsuneo Iwami is the son of Yomei Alliance chairman Heizo Iwami and CEO of Iwami Shipbuilding. Resenting his father for keeping him out of the Yakuza lifestyle, Iwami takes his own shot at making it to the top of the criminal underworld. Teaming up with Tojo Clan advisor Katsumi Sugai, Iwami is responsible for all the events that occurred throughout the game, such as having Sugai and Takumi Someya burn down Little Asia to stage a war with the Saio Triad and have Daigo Dojima be arrested, murdering his father to gain control of the Yomei, and attempting to have Kiryu, the Hirose Family, Haruka, and her infant son Haruto killed. Forcing Someya to fight Kazuma Kiryu to the death by threatening the man's family, Iwami then gives Kiryu a Sadistic Choice to either kill Someya or let Someya's ex-wife Kiyomi die. Someya commits seppuku to appease Iwami, only for Iwami to order Kiyomi's execution anyway. When finally confronted by Kiryu, Iwami reveals that he has Haruka and Haruto taken hostage, threatening to kill them if Kiryu retaliates. When finally at the receiving end of Kiryu's wrath, Iwami tries to save his own skin by ordering Sugai to shoot Haruka and Haruto. Committing numerous heinous crimes just to prove his father wrong and satisfy his own ego, Tsuneo Iwami is one of the few individuals who truly earned the Dragon of Dojima's hatred.
For caption, i got couple of quotes from Yodoshi:
1)"I am at your service, Lord Yodoshi."
"You most certainly are. An eternity of playing the whore to service my appetite for souls."
2)"You are about to join the 40,000 souls you condemned, Xena. And the first thing I'll do is take the head off your little friend with the tatoo."
Edited by VeryVileVillian on May 12th 2021 at 2:36:37 PM




Edited by Michealthehero21 on May 12th 2021 at 3:51:32 AM