During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Yes to Robin King.
The batman who laughs.
Edited by Bullman on May 10th 2021 at 4:07:11 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup threadZorin's last entry I gave her is fine so I'm just gonna leave this to go in between her and whatever Lighty elects to do for the Major's entry:
- Hellsing: The Doctor is an egotistical scientist and the creator of Millennium's artificial vampires. Allowing his creations to run amok, two even take to devouring multiple families in the hopes of increasing their own power. With the thousand-vampire army made for the Major, the Doctor has the ranking Nazi officer devoured for the Major to take power and then launches a devastating assault upon London where civilians are torn apart and eaten with the death toll climbing up to three million. Transforming the Hellsing family's traitorous butler into a vampire and pitting him against Alucard, the Doctor callously leaves his unstable creation to die before trying to flee with his research, proving himself a narcissistic coward underneath his smug, sadistic attitude.
Yeah...BTW, mind fixing Herr Doktor's character page? There's a bit under Mad Scientist that makes him seem a WIE.
Slashed some of the stuff that looked contradictory.
Though honestly... if anymore sprouts up I'm not going to curate his character page. It's been a weird interpretation that seems almost like a memey thing people like saying—like when Cooler was treated like some kind of Affably Evil version of his brother—and "Haha the Nazi scientist who tried to cover the world in war with vampires actually thinks he can help the world" is a line of thinking I'm not too inclined to try to engage with. If someone wants to think that they can.
Edited by 43110 on May 10th 2021 at 6:59:47 AM
Yes to the Hellsing trio. This actually leads me to something I’d been thinking over for a while: has anyone ever brought up Enrico Maxwell from the same series? He does have something resembling a Freudian Excuse, in that he was bullied as a child, but I’d liken that to, say, Murata Azrael from Gundam SEED in that it doesn’t really make him any more sympathetic.

Yes to Robin King