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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#259527: May 10th 2021 at 1:46:56 PM

Ah, Martinet's had quite the range. Super Mario, Paarthunax, that guy who said "anal sphincter" in Grossology...

Yes to the Robin King, too.

RK93 Since: Aug, 2020
#259528: May 10th 2021 at 1:57:09 PM

[tup]to Laughs: Henry Evans Edition.

Edited by RK93 on May 10th 2021 at 10:57:25 AM

WatTambor Since: Oct, 2020
#259529: May 10th 2021 at 2:00:20 PM

[tup] to Robin King

BTW, how many CM versions of Bruce Wayne do we have right now? It's really strange that one of the most well-known heroic characters has several CM incarnations.

Edited by WatTambor on May 10th 2021 at 12:02:08 PM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#259530: May 10th 2021 at 2:04:44 PM

There's this one and this one. And I think MAYBE one more?

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#259531: May 10th 2021 at 2:06:32 PM

Yes to Robin King.

[up] The batman who laughs.

Edited by Bullman on May 10th 2021 at 4:07:11 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#259532: May 10th 2021 at 2:07:17 PM

As far as I know, Robin King (yes there btw), Batman who Laughs, and Guardian of Gotham, so three

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#259535: May 10th 2021 at 2:26:33 PM

[tup] to Shah Al-Kabbar, Amarkax, Nekron, Major, Doktor and Zorin, and Robin King.

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#259536: May 10th 2021 at 2:29:50 PM

[tup] to the Hellsing trio and the Robin King.

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#259537: May 10th 2021 at 2:39:47 PM

[tup] Robin King.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#259538: May 10th 2021 at 2:57:57 PM

[tup] Shah Al-Kabbar.

[tup] Amarkax.

[tup] Nekron.

[tup] Hellsing trio.

[tup]Robin King.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#259540: May 10th 2021 at 3:15:24 PM

Zorin's last entry I gave her is fine so I'm just gonna leave this to go in between her and whatever Lighty elects to do for the Major's entry:

  • Hellsing: The Doctor is an egotistical scientist and the creator of Millennium's artificial vampires. Allowing his creations to run amok, two even take to devouring multiple families in the hopes of increasing their own power. With the thousand-vampire army made for the Major, the Doctor has the ranking Nazi officer devoured for the Major to take power and then launches a devastating assault upon London where civilians are torn apart and eaten with the death toll climbing up to three million. Transforming the Hellsing family's traitorous butler into a vampire and pitting him against Alucard, the Doctor callously leaves his unstable creation to die before trying to flee with his research, proving himself a narcissistic coward underneath his smug, sadistic attitude.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#259541: May 10th 2021 at 3:32:58 PM

Yes to the Doctor but I don't think the Major's entry needs to be touched. It healthily encapsulates every relevant tidbit to the Monster's qualification, it's well written and it's not too long.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#259542: May 10th 2021 at 3:39:19 PM

I'm leaving it up to Lighty. It's his entry and he did the formal EP.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#259543: May 10th 2021 at 3:41:23 PM

So Major, Doctor, Zorin?

I guess with them all being part of Millennium, I can use that in a header and have an extra pothole for Major (depending on what Lighty does).

Scraggle, you see my PM?

Edited by ACW on May 10th 2021 at 6:42:55 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#259544: May 10th 2021 at 3:43:11 PM

May as well do a tagline since it's a trio sharing a faction with its own pagw.

DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#259545: May 10th 2021 at 3:44:44 PM

[tup] to the Major, the Doctor, Zorin, and the Robin King (good job on your first proper effort post).

[tdown] to Metal Sonic and Wonder Woman.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#259546: May 10th 2021 at 3:44:49 PM

Yeah...BTW, mind fixing Herr Doktor's character page? There's a bit under Mad Scientist that makes him seem a WIE.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#259547: May 10th 2021 at 3:56:21 PM

Slashed some of the stuff that looked contradictory.

Though honestly... if anymore sprouts up I'm not going to curate his character page. It's been a weird interpretation that seems almost like a memey thing people like saying—like when Cooler was treated like some kind of Affably Evil version of his brother—and "Haha the Nazi scientist who tried to cover the world in war with vampires actually thinks he can help the world" is a line of thinking I'm not too inclined to try to engage with. If someone wants to think that they can.

Edited by 43110 on May 10th 2021 at 6:59:47 AM

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#259548: May 10th 2021 at 4:02:01 PM

[tup]Robin

@Scraggle he said WHAT in Grossology?

rosewood47 from A Padded Cell (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#259549: May 10th 2021 at 4:09:10 PM

Yes to the Hellsing trio. This actually leads me to something I’d been thinking over for a while: has anyone ever brought up Enrico Maxwell from the same series? He does have something resembling a Freudian Excuse, in that he was bullied as a child, but I’d liken that to, say, Murata Azrael from Gundam SEED in that it doesn’t really make him any more sympathetic.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#259550: May 10th 2021 at 4:10:24 PM

Maxwell doesn't count. He's an awful bigot but his plight is played for full sympathy, the guy is ultimately a broken child and not a keeper. His whole death scene is played for pathos with Anderson sadly commenting he was a stupid boy in the end.

Edited by 43110 on May 10th 2021 at 7:13:05 AM


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