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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#258701: May 2nd 2021 at 12:54:33 PM

Think you need to be alive to be a greater scope villain. That's kinda a main element?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#258702: May 2nd 2021 at 1:33:55 PM

By the way, if it need be to make it clear where they appear and in what arc, i have their number of apperances:

Calvin Wax: Volume 5 "Full Red" and XIII Mystery's "Steve Rowland" and "Calvin Wax"

Colonel Juan Peralta is the main villain of Volume 9 "For Maria" to Volume 11 "Three Silver Watches" of the main comic and he also appeared in "Felicity Brown" and "Alan Smith" issues of XIII Mystery

Frank Giordino is the main threat through Volume 12 "The Trial" to Volume 18 "The Last Round" and he also appeared in "Little Jones" and "Colonel Amos" issues of XIII Mystery

Edited by VeryVileVillian on May 2nd 2021 at 11:35:30 AM

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#258703: May 2nd 2021 at 2:15:34 PM

For Tanner, according to the work page she is a Dirty Old Woman, so I recomendable potholing her name to Evil Old Folks.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#258704: May 2nd 2021 at 2:16:15 PM

So IS Greater-Scope Villain appropriate for Wax?

Also, Mir, you still doing those other Charmed ones?

Edited by ACW on May 2nd 2021 at 5:16:41 AM

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#258706: May 2nd 2021 at 2:21:50 PM

I don't know if we have any trope for "instigator of everything that happened", who is not a Big Bad.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#258707: May 2nd 2021 at 2:22:47 PM

Predecessor Villain would work, except that wouldn't work here. I think I'll stick with GSV.

Edited by ACW on May 2nd 2021 at 5:23:09 AM

TBNY (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#258708: May 2nd 2021 at 2:30:58 PM

So, I've been playing Days Gone, thanks to Playstation's free monthly game, and I am pretty sure there is a prime candidate with Skizzo. However, I am nearly done with the storyline and I wanna make sure he is really that irredeemable.

Edited by TBNY on May 2nd 2021 at 5:31:43 AM

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#258709: May 2nd 2021 at 2:39:10 PM

[up]I thought about bringing him up myself (but my PS 4's busted), but I'm pretty sure it's mentioned somewhere he still gets letters from a family member.

Edit: Correction, looking at his character sheet, he had a greeting card from his grandparents, but since I haven't played the game myself, I can't weigh in further.

Edited by Beast on May 2nd 2021 at 2:44:21 AM

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
TBNY (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#258710: May 2nd 2021 at 2:42:29 PM

[up] In terms of the letters, it's a postcard from his grandparents about him graduating with honors. With Deke confirming he was lying about being a gangbanger pre-outbreak. But that's the only letter we see from him.

YobabyColin Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
TBNY (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#258712: May 2nd 2021 at 3:31:48 PM

Doesn't Preisdent Snow have a granddaughter he cares about? Or was that a movie thing?

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#258713: May 2nd 2021 at 3:35:40 PM

That was a movie thing, this was a fanfic

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#258714: May 2nd 2021 at 3:36:34 PM

That was a movie thing. This is a fan work.

The literature version was cut for...I can't remember why, but it was some disqualifying thing.

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#258715: May 2nd 2021 at 3:37:52 PM

I think a prequel gave him a Freudian Excuse?

Still, I wouldn't be remotely surprised if there was at least one other fanfic where he was a keeper.

Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on May 2nd 2021 at 3:38:28 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#258716: May 2nd 2021 at 3:41:46 PM

Btw guys I might be a few days late for the discussion on shadow and bone. A bit behind

That said it like only covers the first book and doesn't touch the six of crows stuff till next season so I doubt well have any candidates here lol as the three we have come from the last stuff.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#258717: May 2nd 2021 at 3:43:07 PM

Yes to Jordan and Mars.

No to Snow.

Any opinions on what I brought up here?

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#258719: May 2nd 2021 at 3:56:22 PM

I ran this by Ravok, and he liked it:

Superman: You destroyed those planets, didn't you? And every living soul on them!
Brainiac: Only their knowledge was important. It is what I was programmed to collect and protect.
Superman: But why kill?
Brainiac: The fewer beings who have the knowledge, the more precious it becomes.

Thoughts?

Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#258720: May 2nd 2021 at 4:01:20 PM

I like it, [tup] to the Brainiac quote.

DolphZ Since: Mar, 2019
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#258723: May 2nd 2021 at 4:09:50 PM

DCAU Superman has his own page if you wanna link to that, but [tup] to the Brainiac quote

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#258725: May 2nd 2021 at 4:41:41 PM

Yeah sure to that quote.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

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