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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#258676: May 2nd 2021 at 10:03:51 AM

This is the 1970s original Hills, right?

Also, I'm curious about [up]

Edited by ACW on May 2nd 2021 at 1:05:35 PM

WatTambor Since: Oct, 2020
#258678: May 2nd 2021 at 10:56:17 AM

BTW guys, what did we decide about Ryoma in the end?

Is he staying or are we cutting him?

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#258679: May 2nd 2021 at 10:57:54 AM

I don't know if we ever came to a consensus.

WatTambor Since: Oct, 2020
#258680: May 2nd 2021 at 11:09:52 AM

[up] Personally, I voted with a cut for him based on the info I saw and I maintain that position. We need to discuss him more until we reach a consensus.

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#258681: May 2nd 2021 at 11:11:58 AM

Here, I'll go back and count the votes. Will update soon

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on May 2nd 2021 at 2:12:11 PM

Melinda Since: Dec, 2019 Relationship Status: Puppy love
#258682: May 2nd 2021 at 11:12:23 AM

I'd forgotten about Snow's action with Song and Qunitus. I'll acknowledge that it is a decent sized Pet the Dog or Throw the Dog a Bone moment, although it could be argued that he didn't; want to turn Song against him if he kept stringing her along. And while he does keep his promise to Song, his promise to Mags is kind of misleading about how much help he'll give her career academy, and he arguably breaks his promise to Blight when his biological weapon kills Mr.s Lourdes (Blight's avvox) and Jason, even if it was a bit indirect. Additionally I'd argue that he keeps his promise to Blight for so long so he can us Blight rather than out of genuine integrity.

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#258683: May 2nd 2021 at 11:15:04 AM

So it's for more pragmatic reasons then?

Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#258684: May 2nd 2021 at 11:15:23 AM

I may not be super familiar with the work, but when I think about it, if Ryoma we know is just a robotic duplicate then I say keep the original personally and just think the clone should be treated as his own thing. Again, this is my personal opinion, and like I said I ain't super familiar with the series.

Edited by Powermaster201 on May 2nd 2021 at 2:21:21 PM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#258685: May 2nd 2021 at 11:15:48 AM

[up][up][up] Hmm, that's dicey. Any Pet the Dog or Throw the Dog a Bone, if legitimate, is automatically disqualifying.

Edited by ACW on May 2nd 2021 at 2:16:01 PM

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#258686: May 2nd 2021 at 11:22:14 AM

Considering that he could have just as easily not kept his promise to Song and left Quintis in the Peacekeepers and has no pragmatic reason to keep his promise - at least not one that's suggested by the narrative - I gotta say no to Snow. Plus, you can't really say he "arguably" broke his promise when he's invoking Exact Words, and being ambiguous about how much help he'll give Mags is kinda irrelevant when he still gives her the help he promised.

Now, as for Ryoma, he's been cut, but it's close - I'm also throwing in a cut after realizing I didn't vote:

Cut: 14note 

Keep: 7note 

Abstain: 7note 

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on May 2nd 2021 at 2:42:15 PM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#258687: May 2nd 2021 at 11:22:24 AM

Sorry Melinda, but unless it's explicit that he was being pragmatic, I lean no.

[down] Needless to say, W is right. I have lost count of how many candidates I have had downvoted, myself.

Edited by SkyCat32 on May 2nd 2021 at 2:26:53 PM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#258688: May 2nd 2021 at 11:23:37 AM

Though don't be discouraged. It was a fine first effortpost, and we ALL have candidates who've gotten downvoted (myself definitely included).

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#258689: May 2nd 2021 at 11:25:37 AM

Switching to no for Snow.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#258691: May 2nd 2021 at 11:30:54 AM

Nay on Snow

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#258692: May 2nd 2021 at 11:36:08 AM

[tdown]snow

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Smiley100P Since: Sep, 2017
#258693: May 2nd 2021 at 11:36:53 AM

haha yeah, As the person responsible for overestimating two for two villains' heinousness factors, I can see why this is pretty discouraging. Though I still have other ideas, one from a game I'm close to beating and a pair from a fuckin hermitcraft fanfic of all things.
But yeah no to Snow, that detail considered.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#258695: May 2nd 2021 at 11:56:05 AM

  • GARO
  • Mighty Max
  • The Lazarus Heart, by Poppy Z. Brite: Jordan, also known as Joseph Lethe, is a bigoted Serial Killer who refuses to see transgender people as deserving of life. As the Bourbon Street Ripper, Jordan hunts down numerous transgender women and transvestites and tortures them to death. Becoming aware of Lucrece DuBois and her twin brother Benny, Jordan murders Benny in a failed attempt to kill Lucrece, proceeding to frame Benny's lover Jared Poe for the murder. Jordan then continues his murder spree as a "copycat" killer before returning to murder Lucrece and the investigating detective.
  • Cutie Honey a Go Go!:
    • Sister Jill, an emotionless battle android made by Professor Kisaragi, became the leader of Panther Claw after her release from captivity. Seeking to destroy Japan with a nuke and turn the world into one of chaos and eternal war, Jill sends her kaijin out to cause as much havoc as possible, from destroying every train system surrounding Japan’s coastal line to prevent anybody from escaping, to assassinating Professor Kisaragi, with her attacks resulting in hundreds of casualties.
    • Tarantula Claw is an elite member of Panther Claw, and Sister Jill's eyes and ears. Assisting Jill in her plan to nuke the world and stop Cutie Honey, Tarantula uses her webs to eavesdrop on the Safety Bureau office in order to gather info on their plans, which causes the death of countless innocents, including Dr. Kisaragi, Honey's father/creator. Once she's discovered, Tarantula decapitates a man before making an escape. When Honey goes into hiding at the Saint Chapel Academy, Tarantula uses Fire Claw as bait to find Honey's location, uncaring when she's killed. At the Academy, Tarantula sends some Panther Claw goons to attack the school and its students, and when her attempt to kill Natsuko fails, Tarantula uses Dragon Panther to kill head teacher Miss Miharu and burn the academy, later slicing the teenage Ayu in half because her screams were getting on her nerves.
  • Cutie Honey: Tears (2016): Lady Jill is the sociopathic ruler of Tatehama with an undying hatred for humanity. Created by Dr. Kisaragi as an unemotional link to help restore a dying world, Jill instead began to see humans as inferior, and attempted to kill Kisaragi and his android daughter Hitomi. After incapacitating Kisaragi, Jill uses his still-living brain as an A.I., which allows her to control the entire city. Using her power to make the lower-class citizens suffer by creating acidic rain and pollution caused by the high-class citizens' partying, Jill also controls her Sodoms to abuse citizens and kill resistance members. Sending out her Sodom to capture Hitomi, which results in the deaths of Hitomi's foster parents, Jill destroys them when they fail to capture her. Finding out that the upper-class citizens are having a party that will result in an enormous toxic rain cloud that will destroy the entire city, Jill tries to prevent Hitomi and the resistance from stopping it just to watch her suffer.
  • T2 Trilogy: Skynet, upon awakening, mocks its Neo-Nazi programming after shutting down any life support, happily stating its intent to destroy humanity. Unleashing nuclear arsenals to obliterate most of the world, Skynet later deploys even more when it feels threatened by humanity and enacts a horrific regime of death camps, mass murder, and experimentation. Even when cornered, Skynet has no qualms using human prisoners as hostages, only relenting on having them massacred by the Terminators when it notes that its enemies might demand to see live hostages before giving in.
  • Blue Blood Gear, by Kohei Hanao: The unnamed overseer of a mine that uses the slave labor of captured Red Blood People is the symbol of the worst aspects of the Blue Blood Clan. A firm believer in the superiority of his people and the need to annihilate the Red Blood Clan, the overseer reacts to the arrival of Prince Kodo by ordering his men to activate the Watari, destroying a mine in the launch and endangering the slaves to earn a promotion after personally murdering Kodo for his "tradition" of showing empathy for the enemies. When Kodo tries to reason with him, the overseer mocks his kindness and declares the Red Blood to be "bloodsucking worms". Chasing Kodo, the Watari's march throws debris that crushes fleeing slaves and when Kodo falls to the ground, the overseer slows down to play with a injured Kodo trying to run. After the Watari is ruined for Kodo's trap, a enraged overseer orders his men to murder everyone in the mine.
  • Fire Force: The Captain leads the Holy Sol's Shadow, a group of assassins sent to kill any who opposes The Holy Sol Temple. His assassins consists of orphans whom the Captain would brainwash into serving him and would subjugate those who question him to horrific abuse, with his most prominent victim being Five-Two, who the Captain tortured and raped. When Five-Two left the Holy Sol's Shadow and is taken in by a loving family, the Captain has the family murdered. This incident would cause Five-Two to become the cynical criminal, Joker; when the Captain faces him in the present he abandons his soldiers to Benimaru's mercy for a chance to kill his former subordinate.
  • Legend of Galactic Heroes:
  • Space Ghost (2005 miniseries, by Joe Kelly & Ariel Olivetti):
    • Quartermaster Temple, the man responsible for ruining the life of Thaddeus Bach—aka Space Ghost—is a corrupt space cop with a streak of viciousness that matches the literal alien horrors. Temple introduces his corruption murdering an amiable weapons dealer and passing it off as justice, and when Bach tries to expose him, Temple has Bach's pregnant wife brutally murdered, recording the whole process of tearing the unborn baby from her womb and leaving Bach for dead after rubbing his face in this atrocity. When the Zorathians attack the colony planet Meridian, Temple first tries to escape while shooting innocent civilians who get in his way, then elects to sell out the entire planet to the Zorathians. To cover up his crimes, Temple is ultimately willing to plunge the Zorathians' mothership into Meridian to kill not only the Zorathians, but every innocent life on the planet.
    • Zorak is portrayed here as far worse than his other incarnations. A monstrous conqueror terrorizing the galaxy, Zorak sends his scouts out to prowl for populated planets and murder entire cities to test their defenses, after which Zorak sics his entire army onto his selected planet to enslave, torture, and devour the entire populace, with even children not exempt from these horrors. Keeping himself alive over the years by bodyjacking his own soldiers when his current vessel expires, Zorak uses the corpses of entire planets to breed new generations of Zorathians to repeat his slaughter campaign unendingly, hoping to leave nothing alive in the universe but himself and his race. A sadist who takes deep joy from his atrocities, Zorak goes so far as to betray and try to murder Temple after an alliance with him, then mock Space Ghost over the death of his family at Temple's hands.
  • XIII:
    • Calvin Wax, aka Number II, is the true founder of "The Conspiracy of the XX" and the one responsible for the events of the story. A racist advisor to the President of the US, William Sheridan, Calvin was shocked when William, growing weary of his extreme views, choose to replace him. Deciding to assassinate William, Calvin convinced his brother, Walter Sheridan, to join him and become Number I, as he created a plan of installing a fascist government in the US, where anyone who isn't white is either subjugated or executed. Killing his partners, who knew that Walter has become the Number I, Calvin has the titular Number XIII assassinate William, afterwards ordering him to be executed as well. When the XIII impersonator started to go on his trail and Walter wanted to quit their scheme, Calvin captured the current president, Walter, fake XIII and his friends and gleefully revealed to them his scheme of using SPADS soldiers to take over all strategic points of the US to declare Martial Law across the country and then cause World War III to wipe out entire cities, before he left all his captured enemies to die in the explosion.
    • Colonel Juan Peralta is the main enforcer of the tyrannical government of Ortiz in a third world country. Oppressing the population and slaughtering the resistance, Peralta in reality simply uses Ortiz to get as much money as possible. Peralta controls a large prison complex in Roca Negra, where he regularly tortures his prisoners and has them endure inhumane conditions. After Ortiz was killed and his regime overthrown, Peralta leads his loyalists in attacking the large city of Puerto Pilar, planning to wipe out everyone in it and take over the country, installing himself as the next dictator.
    • Frank Giordino is the sleazy head of national security, who regularly engages in criminal activities to get himself more fame and power. In the past, Giordino assisted the head of FBI to frame the Black Panthers for murder, solely to justify their arrest, which led to multiple Black people being brutally killed, Frank also—inadvertently but without remorse—killed his own sister, later on blackmailing her son, his own nephew, Jason Fly, into working for him, fully ready to have him killed should he refuse. When his attempt to save the President ended up killing him instead, Frank decided to kill Jason Fly and his friends to stop them from talking, not caring when one of these attempts nearly killed his assistant and lover Jessie. In his most heinous attempt to cover his tracks, Frank sent a black ops team to blow up a dam in the foreign territory Jason Fly was in, which would have destroyed the whole valley and everyone in it.
  • Wonder Woman: Cylvia Cyber, also known as Doctor Cyber, is the leader of an unnamed Nebulous Evil Organization who was defeated by Wonder Woman after slaughtering a monastery full of monks just to get the valuables inside and staging a jewel heist in London. Returning to destroy Hong Kong and blackmail the world with Earthquake machines, Cyber was disfigured by a member of Tiger Tong after she had the group killed for no longer being of use to her. Irrationally blaming Diana for this, she ordered the Earthquake Machine she placed across the world to be activated and tried to kill Diana herself, but was thought dead when one of the machines she was near exploded. Surviving and desiring to regain her beauty, Cyber returned multiple times to abduct women to transplant her brain into them, trying this on both Diana and Donna Troy, and fatally extracted information from a famous cosmetician in an attempt to graft Diana's face onto her own. Escaping custody and disguising herself as Diana, Cyber broke into the Pentagon and stole America's nuclear launch codes, planning to start a nuclear war and frame Diana for the deed.
  • TRON: Uprising:
    • General Tesler is the brutal dictator dispatched by CLU to subjugate Argon City, and serves as the main antagonist of the series. A fanatical believer in Anti-ISO rhetoric, Tesler took part in the wholesale genocide of the ISOs years ago, notably massacring an entire hospital of Programs—and the informants who gave him the heads up—simply because it treated two rogue ISOs. In the present, Tesler maintains a vicious hold on Argon by executing any potential dissidents and forcing dozens of Programs to fight to the death in the Games. An abusive monster to even his right-hand Paige, who he drafted after murdering her best friends and framing ISOs for it, Tesler is happy to order her public execution when she seemingly betrays him, and extends the same murderous attitude towards any of his minions who fail him in even minor regards. Though using a benevolent rhetoric, Tesler is truthfully nothing but a violent supremacist who will react to being touched by a "lesser Program" by ordering their vicious murder via dismemberment, and beneath his cheerful veneer hides a sociopathic disdain for all life not under his boot.
    • Pavel is one of Tesler's Co-Dragons, contrasting his cohort Paige by being a smug, reprehensible psychopath who takes a sadistic glee in torturing and killing anyone he can. Regularly going out of his way to endanger as many lives as he can during his psychotic schemes, Pavel has a heavy hand in the barbaric Games and runs his own torture chamber splattered with the remains of his many victims, demonstrating his "art" by mutilating the hand of a graffiti tagger before trying to torture him to death. Pavel also massacres an entire room of imprisoned Programs just to test a new weapon, kills a pet Bit for fun, and even laughs in joy after unintentionally dooming a train of Programs, hoping he gets to stick around and "watch the fireworks". In his constant attempts to betray Tesler and rise in the ranks, Pavel frames teenage Programs to be executed to embarrass Tesler and even frames Paige for treason by mind raping her, before doing the same to his own cohorts to cover his tracks.
  • What If Gine Went With Goku to Earth? (written fanfic): Frieza, as vile as in canon, is a galactic tyrant who has conquered and slaughtered all life on multiple planets in order to sell them to other races on the galactic market. If Frieza has no interest in ruling a particular conquered planet and believes it won't net him a good price, he destroys it entirely. Among these many annihilated planets is the Planet of the Saiyans. During the story, Frieza goes to Namek to come after Vegeta, ordering his troops to kill everyone in the village and planning to take Gine, Goku's mother. When his troops fail, Frieza kills one of them to force the others to continue fighting. He gets into a fight with Gine and overpowers her, delivering a brutal No-Holds-Barred Beatdown.
  • Enderal: Taranor Coarek is the cruel, anti-religious leader of the Free People of Nehrim. Taranor unified the continent after a gruesome civil war, characterized by massacres against priests and religious people. Influenced by visions induced by the High Ones, he's convinced that the Cleansing is actually the evolution of mankind to a higher level. Taranor invades Enderal to stop the Holy Order from using the Beacon that could defeat the High Ones. Taranor shows to be untrustworthy when, after interrogating a captive PC and Jespar, "awards" their collaboration by throwing them in a raft, leaving their survival to chance. When his armies encircle Ark, Tealor firmly refuses to destroy the Beacon as Taranor requests; he orders his men to crucify all captured soldiers and to kill every civilian spotted in the countryside. Finally, Taranor negotiates a truce with the Truchessa, promising to end all bloodshed if she opens the gates. When she does that, Taranor kills her on the spot and his troops start massacring everyone in their way. Ruthless, megalomaniacal, and genocidal, even in the complex and morally gray world of Enderal Taranor stands as an absolutely dreaded figure, feared by all but his fanatical troops.
  • Banding Together: (Massive Multiplayer Crossover from numerous works):
    • Menagerie: Adam Taurus is once again portrayed as an anti-human bigot. Paying humans to massacre White Fang members and their loved ones to get them on his side, Adam also seduces the 15-year-old Blake to turn her against her parents, beating and threatening her when she hesitates or refuses to kill for him. Eventually driving Blake away after staging a massacre at the Vytal Festival, Adam and Sienna use the confusion caused by the sudden merger of different universes to take over Menagerie, exiling Ghira and Kali while purging a neighborhood to quell rebellion. Given a spell book by Bowser, Adam has hundreds agonizingly turned into monsters, including Princess Peach, despite his promise to not harm her, and plans to betray and kill both Bowser and Bane, along with their forces. Confronted by the heroes, Adam fatally wounds Ilia and abandons Sienna to die, eventually revealing he plans to slaughter the multiverse with his army of monsters and White Fang to ensure only Faunus will be around to worship him.
    • Sacrifice:
      • Sigma struck a deal with The Dark Lord, offering him up souls in exchange for him making him human. Leading Cinder Fall, Emerald, and Mercury on a killing spree across Gateway City, Sigma, as The Meta, personally slaughtered families—children included—restaurants, and apartment buildings, while having Cinder and company attack office buildings, warehouses, and construction sights. Stealing the souls from the people they kill, Sigma hands them over to The Dark Lord, condemning them to burning torment within Hell. Painting a rune out of his victims' blood big enough to fill two city blocks, Sigma reveals he plans to summon Hell's army and condemn everything in the multiverse, including his allies, to Hell just so he can become human.
      • Veronica Cale is far viler than her comic book counterpart. In a pact with a powerful demoness of Lust, Carmilla, Cale has dozens of women and girls abducted, raped, tortured, and murdered in mass ritual sacrifices so she can gain money and power. Assisting Sigma in his plans, Cale's latest ritual will also summon Abaddon, who will kill The Doom Slayer and lead Hell's army in condemning the entire multiverse.
  • Baby Driver: Bats, real name Leon Jefferson III, is a member of Doc's robbery crew and an aggressive thug with a firm belief that Murder Is the Best Solution. Bats guns down or tries to gun down anyone who does—or doesn't—get in the way of his heists, from security guards to normal people who try to fight back, and in one case triggers a massacre against a friendly Arms Dealer and all of his men. When it's revealed the arms dealer and his men were undercover cops on Bats's own side, Bats lies and claims they shot first. Even willing to extend his murderous actions against people outside his job, Bats is heavily indicated to have murdered a gas store attendant because he didn't want to pay; nearly kills Baby's girlfriend, Debora, for the same reason at a diner; and even beats up Baby's handicapped foster father just to mock the kid.
  • Batman & Robin: Poison Ivy, formerly Dr. Pamela Isley, relishing in her newfound power, declares herself Mother Nature and wishes to start anew for the world. Delighting in murdering numerous men with her painful poison kiss, Ivy tries to turn Batman and Robin against one another with her pheromones, seemingly murdering the sleeping Nora Fries to provoke Nora's husband to true despair. Deciding to help him kill every living thing in the world after freezing Gotham solid, Ivy intends to enact her own fantasies of creation upon the new world she creates.
  • The Hills Have Eyes (1977): Mars, eldest son of Papa Jupiter's family, is the most sickening and depraved of the lot. Having participated in the murder and cannibalization of numerous innocents over the years, Mars leads the attack on the Carter family, murdering the family matriarch Ethel and her eldest daughter Lynne, kidnapping Lynne's baby daughter, and raping the youngest daughter Brenda for fun with Brenda only surviving because Mars is out of bullets. Mars later attempts to butcher Katie, attempting to kill her father Doug when he tries to save her.
  • Lion Man (aka The Sword and the Claw): Kumandan Antuan is a ruthless warlord who took over Sultan Suleyman Shah's palace by posing as a gift-bearing ambassador, before having his soldiers ambushing the palace and slaughtering everyone in it, with Antuan personally killing Shah by hacking off his arms and taunting that he will hunt down Shah's pregnant wife to terminate his bloodline. When Antuan's mistress, with his newborn child, rejects him over what he had done, Antuan responds by having his family thrown into a dungeon, desiring power over having loved ones, before taking over the kingdom and ruling with an iron fist, having other lords who opposed him executed and crucified in public. When the Sultan's newborn son, Aslan, turns out to be alive and return decades later to seek revenge, Antuan retaliates by having entire villages thrown into dungeons for being affiliated with Aslan, forcing Aslan and his new friend Altar to duel each other in exchange for the villagers' lives. When Antuan's mistress reveals the truth behind Aslan's heritage, Antuan responds by stabbing her, and later tortures Aslan by pouring acid onto his fingers, causing Aslan to fall to his near-death, and plots to have all of Aslan's captured allies tortured and killed.
  • Voyagers (2021): Zac, a teen raised onboard the ship, is Christopher's friend who also stops taking the emotion-suppressing "Blue" drug alongside him. One of the first things Zac does as he starts to feel his emotions coming in is attempt to force himself upon fellow shipmate Sela and then nearly makes another attempt on her later on. After killing science officer Richard with an electrical charge, Zac then blames it on a hostile "alien", destroys the records of him committing the murder, and then tries to take control of the ship. Zac then forces some members of the crew to join him with the looming threat of said alien while sabotaging parts of the ship to do so, and when confronted with the truth, convinces almost everyone that Richard was possessed by the alien, and has fellow teen Peter beaten to death by accusing him of being possessed too, instilling fear of the same fate to those who challenge the idea. Zac also coldly berates Sela to humiliate her when she feigns interest in him, gets Phoebe killed through his right hand Kal—who in turn is killed himself—and then personally tries to kill Christopher and Sela as well to eliminate the final threat to his power.
  • "Bungalow 14", by Q.L. Pearce, from More Super Scary Stories for Sleep-overs: The nameless motel owner is an ancient shapeshifting snake creature who sustains herself on human lifeforce, which she claims to have been doing since the desert was still young. The serpent forces her unwilling servant Sam to help her lure passing travelers to be drained, gleefully feeding on even parents and children while Sam can only watch in broken resignation.
  • Illvermony School of Witchcraft and Wizardry: Gormlaith Gaunt is Lord Voldemort's distant cousin from the 17th century, sharing all of his ruthlessness, bigotry, and devotion to the bloodline of Salazar Slytherin. Murdering both her own estranged sister and brother-in-law for helping their Muggle neighbors, Gormlaith adopts her 5-year-old niece Isolt and spends the next twelve years psychologically torturing her, even forcing the child to watch as she used dark magic on animals and innocent Muggles. When Isolt flees to America and starts a family with a Muggle husband, Gormlaith hatches a plan to repeat the entire process again by trying to slaughter the couple and kidnap her great-nieces, who would be subjected to the same horrors that their mother had to endure.
  • Season 3: Gulnar, Fenris's priest, is introduced as a ruthless sorcerer presenting a potion to allow his master to rape Maid Marian by removing her free will. Upon being defeated, Gulnar revives the village of Crom Cruach so he may resurrect its namesake, a horrific demon, and burn the village down to again kill everyone there, while sacrificing some villagers for the plan. Later leading the Sons of Fenris to enact the apocalyptic Time of the Wolf, Gulnar attempts to massacre or condemn to starvation large swaths of land while seeking to kill the benevolent god Herne so none may stop the rapacious wolf.
  • A Rabbit Among Wolves: Elizabeth Tanner is the forewoman of the SDC lumber camp that Jaune investigates. Presenting an aura of being tough yet fair, Tanner coerces Faunus with nowhere else to go into a debt trap that leaves them stuck in her camp for over a decade, underpaying them for their hard labor so as to keep them for longer. She also takes advantage of her power to rape young, male Faunus in her camp, threatening to make them suffer if they don't comply. Attempting to rape Jaune as well, she quickly reveals her true colors as a racist psychopath, believing that she is above the law just because of her power and race, and threatens to make Jaune and Trifa suffer for denying her what she wants. Vile to her core, Tanner's actions represent the worst of the racism Faunus face every day, and it is her actions that truly open Jaune's eyes as to the abuse they suffer.
  • XIII has three members of "the XX":
    • Walter Sheridan, Number I, is the leader of "The XX", who plans to take over US and turn it into a totalitarian state. To this end Walter has his brother, the current US President William Sheridan, assassinated by the titular XIII and then also has the assassin himself killed. Upon learning that someone has assumed XIII's identity, Walter ordered him to be hunted down, which led to the death of dozens of people. Planning to take over the country during the operation "Total Red", Walter intended to use his SPADS to slaughter personnel in key military facilities of the US, after which he intends to declare martial law.
    • Calvin Wax, Number II, poses as a counselor to President Galbrain, while in reality he happily goes along with Number I's plan to turn America into a totalitarian state. Organizing the hunt for the XIII impostor, Calvin sends SPADS to massacre anyone he suspects might ally with the false XIII. Leading the invasion of the key facilities where "Total Red" took place, and posing as Number I, Calvin decided to activate the self-destruct sequence, which threatened to kill off any survivors in the facility and everyone around it, while the true Number I was still inside the base, simply out of spite for the false XIII beating him.
    • Dr. Johansson, Number XX, is the head of an asylum where he regularly tortures dozens of innocent people to the point of insanity, where they can't say anything coherent and scream from their pain. Happily torturing anyone "The XX" sends to him as a prisoner, Johansson also allows his guards to constantly beat his prisoners to near-death. When the false XIII escaped from his cage, he reaches Johansson's office, where he hears Johansson torturing one of his prisoners with a drill and discovers that he also locked one of his nurses in a cell with a dangerously insane patient.
  • Tomorrow's Monsters: Cassandra Berkley is a senior executive at a company called NextCorp and the real mastermind behind the events of the first season. After her boss, CEO Max Fuller, develops Shut Eye, a product that eliminates the need for sleep, Berkley convinces him to take it, affecting his mental health. Berkley uses Max as an assassin to kill anyone who gets in her way after that. Berkley begins human testing, offering money to veterans to undergo testing, not caring if they die in the process. When a new employee named Jack Locke joins the company, Berkley forces Jack to take Shut Eye or get fired and reveals that Shut Eye allows her to control anyone who uses the product. Berkley has her mind-controlled pawns kill anyone who tries to stop her and even kills Finn Conelly, Max's business partner who wanted to stop this scheme. Berkley then mentally tortures Jack and reveals she plans to pin all the murders on him. Eventually, Berkley blackmails her uncle, who is a powerful senator, into helping her introduce Shut Eye into the military, forcing recruits to take Shut Eye and become drones controlled by a Hive Mind.
  • The Visitor From The Future's "The Missionaries" (season 3): Joseph, the leader of the Missionaries, poses as a benevolent boss who sends his team in the past to avert disasters and prevent the Apocalypse. In actuality, Joseph himself causes those disasters in a scheme to enrich himself. His true goal is to found a tyrannical empire by forcibly gathering the survivors of the Apocalypse, threatening their life should they refuse. He sentences his loyal assistant Constance and the Visitor to the Necrophiliac Prison and straps explosive bracelets to his employees to keep them in line. Abducting and reprogramming Henry Castafolt, Joseph has him create an army of robots and has them kill innocent civilians.
  • The "Harold Saxon" Master is an unfathomably cruel, selfish psychopath who first appears in "Utopia". After successfully conquering Earth, the Master orders the population be decimated for no other reason than to satisfy his own violent impulses. Becoming a despot, the Master forces prisoners to watch as he incinerates Japan for his own amusement and abuses his servants and even his own wife. When the Master's mistreatment of his wife leads her to fatally shoot him, he refuses to regenerate, amused by the pain the Doctor will feel at being the last of the Time Lords. Once resurrected, the Master returns with an unending hunger, which he satisfies by trying to devour all humans. Although seemingly killed by Rassilon, the Master returns, creating a facility which agonizingly converts people into Cybermen. The Master falsely befriends companion Bill Potts over ten years, just to wait to cyberize her when the Doctor comes to save her in order to drink in her crushing despair. Loving how evil he is and not wanting to ever change, this Master murders his own future incarnation, putting his own existence in jeopardy to avoid any version of himself aiding the Doctor.

Edited by ACW on May 2nd 2021 at 2:57:55 PM

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Silverblade2 Since: Jan, 2013
#258697: May 2nd 2021 at 12:19:30 PM

I contest the Big Bad pothole about Comic!Calvin Wax. He's literally introduced and killed off in issue 5 with Number 1 Walter Sheridan being the actual overarching antagonist of the initial 12 issues arc. Maybe Number Two?

[down] Yeah I think GSV fits better. Though him being the actual founder of the conspiracy appears to be a retcon from the XIII Mystery spin off issue that wasn't written by creator Jean Van Hamme. NVM

Edited by Silverblade2 on May 2nd 2021 at 9:51:56 PM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#258698: May 2nd 2021 at 12:21:32 PM

Wasn't he the one behind Walter?

Greater-Scope Villain maybe?

It says Mystery was under the supervision of Van Hamme, so...shrug.

Edited by ACW on May 2nd 2021 at 3:37:37 PM

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#258699: May 2nd 2021 at 12:51:14 PM

Retcon or no, the spin off is Canon to the main comic and its events were referenced in it. In later volumes of the main comic issues of the spin-off were even mentioned as "read this to understand what characters are talking about".

But yeah, the comic has no consistant Big Bad, even "The XX" organization is forgotten for several volumes and instead the Fake XIII have dealt with other enemies, like Frank Giordino.

Edited by VeryVileVillian on May 2nd 2021 at 10:57:35 PM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#258700: May 2nd 2021 at 12:53:39 PM

Though if he was killed off so soon, Greater-Scope Villain definitely fits better.


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