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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

YobabyColin Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#258077: Apr 27th 2021 at 1:38:15 PM

Tentative yes for Tanner.

NTG Since: Aug, 2014
#258078: Apr 27th 2021 at 1:40:18 PM

Sorry for brining up that interview with Tarrentino. It wasn't my intention to cause any bad blood. :(

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#258079: Apr 27th 2021 at 1:41:16 PM

It's fine.

Edited by AustinDR on Apr 27th 2021 at 1:42:17 AM

ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#258080: Apr 27th 2021 at 1:51:47 PM

[tup] to Tanner. Maybe we should give him his own page at some point. I mean, it wouldn't be the first time we gave one to an author.

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#258081: Apr 27th 2021 at 1:54:27 PM

Sure to Tanner

Apologies to Ravok and NTG I didn't mean to imply bad faith with my previous post and I'm sorry if it came off that way.

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#258082: Apr 27th 2021 at 1:54:33 PM

[up][up] For now it probably wouldn't be necessary especially since we just split up Monster.RWBY Fan Works, but yeah we do have Disney and more.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Apr 27th 2021 at 1:54:46 AM

TellAll111 Since: Jun, 2010
#258083: Apr 27th 2021 at 1:55:25 PM

Okay, after careful consideration of all arguments, I'm giving Z&M a [tup]. Nothing to add that others haven't said; also, I think we're just ready to move on from this one.

Also [tup] for Gulnar, Sister Jill, Cassandra, Brand, Red Flood and Tanner.

[tdown] for the Bunny.

Edited by TellAll111 on Apr 27th 2021 at 1:58:27 AM

WatTambor Since: Oct, 2020
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#258086: Apr 27th 2021 at 2:31:04 PM

[tup] to tanner

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#258087: Apr 27th 2021 at 2:33:40 PM

Got a Mighty Max candidate

What is the Work?

We all know about Mighty Max right now, due to several candidates from the show were proposed a while ago. While the cartoon seems to be dry of keepers, there is also a short-lived non-canon comic series, that was based on both stories of the toyline series (from the description of the character's bios and premises) and animated series. The comic ran for 10 issues (plus issue 0) before it was cancelled and was released only in UK. Each issue contains 3 stories (aside from two last ones, where there is only 2 stories), each lasts about 8-10 pages.

I have one candidate i want to propose and another i consider proposing.

My candidate is Pharaoh Venom.

Who is Pharaoh Venom?

The pharaoh with intense hatred on the whole world, Venom was sealed thousands of years ago by his servants in his own pyramid. Awakened in the story "Time & Again" by the couple of archaeologists, upon which he casts a spell that destroys the Earth. Max was saved by Virgil and Norman, who managed to pull themselves into the void outside of the dimension of time and space at the last second. Deciding to stop archaeologists from discovering Venom, they go back in time and arrive at the scene and try their best, only to fail and Venom being awoken again and blowing up the Earth with a spell again. Deciding to get back in time to the moment, where Venom was sealed off, they attack him and while he run off to the pyramid and sealed himself off, Max managed to replace his golden wand in his hand with his slingshot and when Venom was awakened in the future, he couldn't cast his magic and turned into sand.

Returning in issue 9's story "Tomb With a View" and desiring revenge, Venom set up a "Temple of Venom" and created a magical hourglass with sand. Kidnapping Max, Venom gleefully revealed to him that he planned to steal his body, so he could get free from his prison and terrorize the world. Max tried to escape, but was stopped by Venom's creature. Asking Venom if the spell will break if sand will be stopped from moving in hourglass, Venom said "What could possibly prevent it?", on which Max replied by throwing golden staff on the hourglass, breaking it and defeating Venom, as he was forced to return to his grave.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

None. While he never says a word in english (speaking only in ancient egyprian) in his first apperance, his second apperance rectifyes that as he has plenty dialogue in english there, estabilishing personality.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

While there were few villains who, threatened, endangered or tried to conquer the world, Venom is the only one, who managed to actually destroy the world not once, but twice, with the heroes saving the world by going back in time to stop him makes him stand out.

Final Verdict?

What do you think?

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#258088: Apr 27th 2021 at 2:36:14 PM

Wasn't he already brought up and downvoted IIRC?

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#258089: Apr 27th 2021 at 2:40:54 PM

[up] Searched it up and his name is never brought up.

Leaning towards a [tup]

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#258091: Apr 27th 2021 at 2:49:57 PM

[tup] Biff Tannen- er, Steph Tanner- sorry, Beth Tanner.

Also leaning [tup] to comic!Venom.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#258092: Apr 27th 2021 at 2:51:37 PM

Yes to Pharaoh Venom.

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#258093: Apr 27th 2021 at 2:54:57 PM

With this comic keeper as well as the six from the show that makes seven from Might Max, maybe a page is in order especially if Very Vile Villian's other comic candidate ends up working out. The amount on the Western Animation page is also a bit clunky, so it could be warranted.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#258094: Apr 27th 2021 at 3:01:11 PM

Why was Pharaoh locked away?

If we do create a page, possible quote:

Enjoy the few seconds of life which remain to you! I will teach you a thousand subtle shades of pain, a hundred ways to die, until I finally lay your lifeless body at my master's table!
Skullmaster, Mighty Max, "The Maxnificent Seven"

(Who the hell was Skullmaster working for?)

Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Calabash.
#258095: Apr 27th 2021 at 3:06:46 PM

Looking at Herc-Xenaverse's monster page, and we still don't have the image, and good lord, where are the drafts?

Eh, good enough.
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#258096: Apr 27th 2021 at 3:07:48 PM

Yea to Comic venom

[up][up] Strongly implied that he means Satan there.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#258097: Apr 27th 2021 at 3:10:52 PM

Ah, that would make sense.

As for Herc-Xena, Scraggle's just got that last candidate to ep.

Any ideas for images?

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#258098: Apr 27th 2021 at 3:12:53 PM

Alright if nobody has any issues I will get to work on the Mighty Max page.

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#258099: Apr 27th 2021 at 3:14:41 PM

Why was Pharaoh locked away?

Because he's evil. The comic doesn't go for details there.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#258100: Apr 27th 2021 at 3:17:39 PM

Ah, if he was evil beforehand, then yes to him.


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