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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

SumDumNerd LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED from [REDACTED] Since: May, 2017 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED
#258001: Apr 26th 2021 at 10:42:03 PM

I see the points, but I'm gonna say [tdown] to the Pulp Fiction duo for the reasons everyone else has stated.

Read Slender Man vs Siren Head 2: The Foundation here
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#258003: Apr 27th 2021 at 12:42:04 AM

[tup] to the Pulp Fiction duo, Cassandra and Brand.

RK93 Since: Aug, 2020
#258004: Apr 27th 2021 at 12:47:40 AM

This might be my weirdest candidate yet.

What's the Work

Animator vs. Animation is a web series on YouTube created by Alan Becker. In this world, every program in the computer is alive. But here, we're focusing on the AvM Shorts, the AvM standing for Animation vs. Minecraft. Yes, you read that right. A spin-off series, involving stick figures as the main characters, has five of them exploring fucking Minecraft. But it's tons of fun, trust me.

Anyways, the first half of Season 1 is the usual wacky adventures the gang has with no real plot. The second half, however, has the Stick Gang exploring various dimensions through Nether portals.

Who is the Killer Bunny and what have they done?

The Killer Bunny is a Monster of the Week appearing as the main antagonist of the episode "TNT Land". Yes, it's actually that one fucking Minecraft mob.

The Second Coming, who is the closest we have to The Hero, goes through one of the Nether portals, and encounters the little guy in a forest. The Bunny welcomes the Second Coming (who will be called TSC from now on) to his big mansion, showing how intelligent the guy is. Quickly taking away the tons of rabbit meat from the table, it instead pulls out some random, normal food for TSC to eat. During the episode, the Killer Bunny tries and fails to kill TSC numerous times For the Evulz, from dropping an anvil on him, to dropping him on a bunch of swords, to shooting him with arrows. Breaking when TSC dodges the last one (not even realising that the mansion is filled with traps), the Killer Bunny lunges at him with a sword. After a quick fight, the Killer Bunny pulls a lever to drop a bunch of Vindicators and an Evoker from the upper floor to kill TSC. While TSC is busy killing them all, the Killer Bunny escapes the mansion and somehow turns the entire land (or at least whatever isn't the background) to TNT, hence the episode's name. TSC fails at stopping the Killer Bunny and the two have a chase towards the Nether portal, the Killer Bunny still trying to kill TSC. However, TSC pulls out some rabbit meat and throws it into the exploding TNT. The Killer Bunny blindly follows it and is killed in the explosion while TSC barely escapes.

Freudian Excuse / Mitigating Factors?

Nope. Despite being an AI, every AI in this series has intelligence and moral agency. Although one might say he suffers from Offscreen Villainy with his cannibalism, that's not entirely true. We see tons of rabbit meat on the table and it's later used as Chekhov's Gun when TSC uses it to kill the Killer Bunny.

Heinous Standard

The only real competition is the Dark Lord, who had plans of destroying computers worldwide. However, TDL didn't commit cannibalism and the Killer Bunny has much less screen-time and resources, so we need to take that into account.

Season 3 introduces Orange and brings back Purple, with both having some unknown plan in mind. However, Season 3 is still ongoing and we don't know just what the plan is.

Final Verdict

I'd go with a [tup]

DukeNukem4ever Since: Jan, 2017
#258005: Apr 27th 2021 at 1:15:50 AM

Abstain on the Killer Bunny. Has he killed anyone before encountering the TSC? And besides, the episode has no plot other than "The Killer Bunny tries to kill the main protagonist For the Evulz" imho.

RK93 Since: Aug, 2020
#258006: Apr 27th 2021 at 1:22:46 AM

The other rabbits that he cannibalized later on are also his victims. And I already dealt with that issue.

KingofNightmares Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#258007: Apr 27th 2021 at 1:42:23 AM

I feel like there's not enough focus on its possible past victims, but that is only my personal opinion. And yes, I did watch the episode long before

"It was the best of times, it was the BLURST of times?"
NTG Since: Aug, 2014
#258008: Apr 27th 2021 at 2:25:12 AM

Sorry for bringing up Pulp Fiction again, but according to Tarrentino the Gimp was a previous victim of the duo. Here’s a quote from an interview with the Empire.

"It doesn’t quite play this way in the movie, but in my mind when I wrote it, the Gimp’s dead. Butch knocked him out and then when he passed out he hung himself. In terms of backstory, he was like a hitchhiker or somebody that they picked up seven years ago, and they trained him so he’s the perfect victim."

Not sure how important that is, but I felt it should be brought up. Apologizes if someone has already mentioned it.

So if Word of God is taken into a account I’ll give the Pulp Fiction Rapist Duo a [tup]. If not then it's a [tdown] because we had a similar character with Buck from Far Cry 3 who was downvoted because he only had 2 victims.

Edited by NTG on Apr 27th 2021 at 2:31:07 AM

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#258009: Apr 27th 2021 at 2:49:57 AM

Abstain on the Bunny

[up] And with this, I'm solidifying my 'Yes' to them. This is a blatant confirmation that the Gimp is another victim, and further proves my point of pattern along with the sceeenplay. Good job finding that NTG, yes we would absolutely take this Word of God into account

So what say we all, eh? The physical, onscreen presence of a broken man reduced to a giggling Sex Slave and referred to explicitly as a victim by the creator and actor themselves enough proof beyond supposed mere "implication" to give them pattern? Because I certainly think so on top of everything else.

Edited by Ravok on Apr 27th 2021 at 3:33:55 AM

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#258010: Apr 27th 2021 at 3:29:10 AM

Abstain on the Bunny.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#258011: Apr 27th 2021 at 3:48:57 AM

Honestly taking everything into account plus that word if god which confirms some ambiguity in the film.

[tup]pulp fiction duo.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Silverblade2 Since: Jan, 2013
#258012: Apr 27th 2021 at 4:07:52 AM

I hate Zed and Maynard with passion and would love them to count but i give a [tdown] for reasons stated before.

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#258013: Apr 27th 2021 at 4:17:53 AM

Sure. I'll give a yes to the duo since it does dispel the ambiguity and brings things into context (with them saying they intend to continue raping the two).

Eh...I guess maybe I'll remain an abstain. This is more complicated than I expected.

But even regardless of Taratino himself saying it, with them making it clear they want to continue raping them, to me that is pretty much proof enough of them intending to make them sex slaves.

But I'll just remove myself from the discussion. I don't really think anything is being stretched or deliberately exaggerated so that would be a false dichotomy.

Edited by AustinDR on Apr 27th 2021 at 7:44:19 AM

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#258014: Apr 27th 2021 at 4:27:45 AM

I... Really need some verification that the literal Killer Rabbit is played seriously before I can upvote.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#258015: Apr 27th 2021 at 4:34:44 AM

Not sure on the cannibal bunny....

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#258016: Apr 27th 2021 at 4:37:47 AM

This does not seem serious enough to me. Unfortunately, I am going to have to decline this bunny's candidacy.

Admittedly, it used to be hard for me to gauge what was played seriously enough as well, and I had to get a candidate cut as a result. It was no big deal, but as a result, I am more careful with comedic candidates.

For what it is worth, I found watching the video enjoyable.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Apr 27th 2021 at 7:41:02 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#258017: Apr 27th 2021 at 4:54:55 AM

That was awesome Tbh.

But yeah [tdown]. All he does is try and kill that dude. I don't think something like this has enough substance to have a cm.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
DoodSlayer136 It's Him from SAGE (Snick Amateur Game Expo) (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
It's Him
#258018: Apr 27th 2021 at 5:08:49 AM

[tdown] to the Bunny boi (Can confirm the series is fun btw).

I'm fine with them going up, but imma keep the abstain on the Pulp Fiction guys because I have a headache from discussing them.

Edited by DoodSlayer136 on Apr 27th 2021 at 5:25:51 AM

Dimon Since: Mar, 2017 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#258019: Apr 27th 2021 at 5:16:48 AM

What is the Work The work is Red Flood, an Alternate History mod for Hearts of Iron about a "no one won WW 1" scenario.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

The candidate is Alexei Gatsev, the leader of IPK, the Accelerationist faction in Zheltorossiya. If Kerensky resigns, and Kamenev is appointed by the Soviet, IPK would betray him and demand to hand over power to Gatsev. If Kamenev agrees, Gatsev would take over, give an ultimatum to other parties to stop their activites and name a long list of "traitors" (aka anyone opposing him). Once in charge, he forces 20% of Zheltorossiya's population to work in factories for the rest of their lives. He also attempts to erase emotion and names to transform the population into a soulless machine-like collective and creates Buerau of Guardians to watch over the populace and enforce the removal of idenity. He erases the Russian and Manchu idenity, replacing it with proletkult. To top it off, he intends to implement the same system in the rest of Russia.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

No Freudian Excuse. He claims to be implementing his tyranny for the betterment of the workers, but as his "live and die in a factory" focus shows, he forces them to work all their lives, which violates their rights, meaning he is not as well intentioned as he claims.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

The Avatar has a higher kill count than OP-01, but Gatsev compensates by creating the most totalitarian state in Red Flood and erasing individuality and emotion.

Final Verdict?

I'll leave that to you to decide

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#258020: Apr 27th 2021 at 5:29:51 AM

Please expand on how Gatsev erases people's sense of identity and independence. What specific measures does he take via the secret police to suppress insurrection?

I currently lean towards approval, but would appreciate more detail on the methods used to suppress insurrection. Do we see people being tortured or interrogated?

@Dood: Don't blame you at all. I effortposted the characters and I just want the discussion to be over by now resolved, already.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Apr 27th 2021 at 8:33:51 AM

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#258021: Apr 27th 2021 at 6:04:44 AM

Likewise I’ll just let the argument play out

Possibly gonna have another Hindu demon coming up (possibly in that I don’t know how long I’ll procrastinate before doing it)

Edited by nwotyzal on Apr 27th 2021 at 6:11:11 AM

HighfalutinQuelea Since: Sep, 2016
#258022: Apr 27th 2021 at 6:20:31 AM

I'm having second thoughts on Bats.

Excluding the clerk's ambiguous death, I don't think Bats ever killed an unarmed civilian in the film's runtime.

His confirmed body count spans down to two guards, the Arms Dealer and the Arms Dealer's guards, and the Arms Dealer, who he believed to be an undercover cop, is the only one who didn't pull a gun on him first.

NTG Since: Aug, 2014
#258023: Apr 27th 2021 at 6:22:36 AM

[tdown]for the Killer Bunny. Zero characterization and backstory. It’s just an evil creature trying to kill the protag for unknown reasons.

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#258024: Apr 27th 2021 at 6:31:54 AM

[tdown] to the Killer Bunny

Changing to an abstain on the Pulp Fiction Duo

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LargoQuagmire Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#258025: Apr 27th 2021 at 7:06:00 AM

[tdown] Killer Bunny

I'm not going to keep commenting on the Pulp Fiction duo outside of this: the fact that people are now using multiple outside sources for a single movie, not a multimedia franchise, to prove this CM really concerns me. I don't look forward to every edge case from here on out being "bolstered" by draft scripts, interview quotes, and other information not inherent to the main CM-containing medium itself.

Edited by LargoQuagmire on Apr 27th 2021 at 7:06:18 AM


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