During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.
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to everyone I missed").
No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
The Moron
@nwot: Thank you for sacrificing your avatar so that the legend may live on
It's a site wide glitch - they're working on fixing it behind the scenes. Either it'll get fixed then, or it'll get fixed because Ordeaux and I requested sandbox swaps in the locked pages thread. Either way, they should be fixed soon.
If God exists, now would be a thrilling time for Him to prove it by inspiring Boss Baby to be the Big Bad of the next Marvel crossover event. May He give us a miracle.
- The Master of Mars: Pwami, the Dictator of Mars and would-be dictator of the rest of the universe, rode his way into power on faulty campaign promises, letting the planet of Mars waste away into a drought shortly after he took over. Anyone who dissents is either subject to Pwami's death traps or trapped on the prison planet of Ceres, where prisoners are starved to death by the dozens. As fond of torturing people emotionally as he is physically, Pwami tries to force Flash Gordon's friends to watch as he is thrown to Pwami's death traps, then later tries to a captive Flash to pilot the very superweapon with which he intends to subject Earth, hoping to break Flash by forcing him to kill his own countrymen.
Edited by Scraggle on Apr 22nd 2021 at 6:37:49 AM
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
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Toki, Drac, Dark & Andy.
Perhaps Overlord could return with results regarding Kark.
IPP Wick Check created.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
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Flash Gordon page AND Lit page?
I'll hold off on requesting the lock of Flash until you get up that Ming.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Showtime!
to Rainey
Yes to Toki and Rainey.
Just woke up late (working from home today), finished breakfast, then logged into Tvtropes and finds out... the Boss Baby glitch.
Nope, I'm not even going to comment about it
The Draftsman of Doom
What is the work?
Faster is a 2010 film starring Dwayne Johnson.When Jimmy "Driver" Cullen is released from prison, he goes on a Roaring Rampage of Revenge targeting all of the men involved in the death of his brother, Gary, led by the enigmatic figure who shot Driver himself and put him in a coma.
One of the other targets had recorded the murder, and it turns out, had other skeletons in his closet.
Who is "Old Guy" and what has he done?
Kenneth Tyson, alias "Old Guy", is introduced recording as Detective Slade Humphries' crew kills the crew of a bank robbery, including Gary Cullen, leaving Jimmy "Driver" Cullen as the sole survivor.
In the present day, Old Guy takes a teenage girl to his apartment, where he sedates her with a drugged beverage, intending to rape and possibly murder her on camera, as he has done to at least 12 other girls. Old Guy is interrupted by Driver, who confronts him over their past interactions.
Old Guy begs for mercy and claims he was forced to co-operate, but to no avail, as he is promptly shot in the head and killed.
Mitigating Factors?
He tries to claim that he was forced to do Cop's bidding, but given that he seemed to take pleasure in Driver's suffering, and that he says this at gunpoint, one can take this with a grain of salt. Plus, he seems like a creep in his own right, so it's kinda hard to take him at his word.
Heinousness?
Independently of his involvement in recording the death of Driver's brother, Gary, Old Guy has, judging by the number of video cassettes in one bin, recorded the rape and murder of at least 12 girls (his snuff films are revealed at the scene of his murder by the cops investigating his murder), maybe more, which coupled with his attempt at drugging a teenage girl with the intention of raping her at the very least (possibly killing her, judging by the fact that he kept a sharp object nearby), establishes a pattern which sets him apart from the other criminals involved in Gary's death.
The other people involved in Gary's death proper are: a dirty cop (Detective Slade Humphries/"Cop") who had turned Gary's girlfriend against him and arranged for Gary's murder and Driver's attempted murder; a man who ended up taking a job as a telemarketer; a career criminal who became a priest in an attempt to atone for his past; and the man who actually killed Gary, who now works as a bouncer. Most of them have retired from criminal life, and Cop himself hired an assassin to kill Driver when he found out the latter survived, plus tried to kill driver himself just to make sure.
The Killer, otherwise unidentified, is an assassin who kills people for very low prices, but he has a low onscreen body count, and most of who he tries to kill is Driver himself.
Driver's victims are criminals, and he doesn't kill civilians. Plus, he's a nominal hero.
Ultimately, Old Guy is just about the worst of the lot.
Verdict?
Viable Contender.Edited by SkyCat32 on Apr 22nd 2021 at 10:01:35 AM
The Emperor of Evil!
Sure to Old Guy.
Seems to be the only one with serial pedophile on his rap sheet. I'm saying yes.
to Old Guy
"The Juice is Loose."
- The Wire: Sam Choksey, a crewman on the Atlantic Light is a human trafficker with the Greek's organization, handling the import of young women for the sex trade. With a shipment of fourteen girls, Sam began to pimp them to the sailors for money until one girl resisted. Having murdered the girl or covered her death up, Sam panics and proceeds to lock the others in a container to suffocate, all to save his own hide when the Greek seeks answers.
- CBS Mystery Theater, Diary of a Madman: Frank Wallace, respected judge, is in truth a homicidal psychopath who opens the play by murdering an innocent young woman, letting a man take the fall and manipulating his conviction to see him hang. Happily murdering at various times for gratification, Frank later kills a political columnist and frames another innocent man for the crime, even contemplating murdering his own wife when she learns the truth.
- Voyage of the Demeter: Dracula himself begins to steadily murder the crew members of the ship, Demeter, picking them off to savor the fear and madness of the others. Using his powers to torture the minds of the rest and murder them as well, Dracula intends on shedding rivers of blood in England and later exits the ship, ready to ravage his new home.
- The Matrix: Cypher, the treacherous member of Morpheus's crew, ends up selling out his comrades and Morpheus so he may reenter the Matrix as "someone important" without his memories. Setting up his team to die and Morpheus to be abducted by the Agents, Cypher is fully aware of the machines intending to wipe out the final bastion of humanity, Zion, while beginning to murder the remaining team members with nothing short of sadistic relish.
- Bleach: Can't Fear Your Own World: Tokinada Tsunayashiro is a sadistic Soul Reaper and the head of the Tsunayashiro family. Possessed of a vicious cruelty innate to him, Tokinada killed his own best friend when he tried to duel him, killing his own wife Kakyo in the process before finding her best friend Kaname Tosen and savagely beating him after revealing the truth for kicks. Seeking to remake the cosmos himself, he develops the artificial human Hikone with intent on giving them a fate worse than death as the new Soul King, killing many or having them killed while attempting to slaughter or mentally destroy everyone he faces, even threatening to kill Yoruichi Shihoin with the technique of Sui-feng, the woman who loves her. Upon his loss, Tokinada even attempts to drop his simulated world upon Karakura Town, meeting his end with declarations he regrets not a single evil deed.
to Kenneth Tyson/"Old Guy".
Yes to the Old Guy.
Weird that I barely remember that film, seeing it only once years ago, despite being a big fan of the Rock...
Edited by RobertTYL on Apr 22nd 2021 at 10:49:21 PM
Shin Megami Tensei IV
0ld Guy
Also, from the manga I''s (How the heck I pothole it?)
A sexual harasser, constant attempted rape and attempts to murder in a Romance series? Easy keeper.
But...this entry has no right be this long, its mostly repeating "He wants to revenge".
- Is: Samejima is a senior in Ichitaka and Iori's high school. When Iori's photo shoot makes her well-known, he sexually harass her and organizes a fake photoshoot of the girl students in order to secretly film them while they're changing, with Iori being the real target. When she notices the hidden camera and tries to get out, she's almost raped by his underlings. After Samejima is expelled from the school, he and his gang lure Iori into a dilapidated building to try to rape her as revenge. Seemingly defeated, he reappears and adopts the internet moniker "Marionette King", he sends messages declaring Iori as his "puppet" and his intention to rape, kill her and sell the Snuff Film of it. When Ichitaka fights him at the end, the Marionette King has been driven further insane by drug use. Even when he's defeated, the Marionette King can only think about raping and killing Iori. He blamed everyone but himself for his self-inflicted trouble and was unrepentant to the end.
Opinions?
Edited by KazuyaProta on Apr 22nd 2021 at 10:12:51 AM
Watch me destroying my country
I like it but I don't think the last or third last sentences are necessary. Going insane due to drug use doesn't have bearing on CM standing and I think the penultimate sentence makes a better "finale" for him than the current last one. Good job though, that one desperately needed it as you said.
Shin Megami Tensei IV
- Is: Samejima is a senior in Ichitaka and Iori's high school. When Iori's photo shoot makes her well-known, he sexually harass her and organizes a fake photoshoot of the girl students in order to secretly film them while they're changing, with Iori being the real target. When she notices the hidden camera and tries to get out, she's almost raped by his underlings. After Samejima is expelled from the school, he and his gang lure Iori into a dilapidated building to try to rape her as revenge. Seemingly defeated, he reappears and adopts the internet moniker "Marionette King", he sends messages declaring Iori as his "puppet" and his intention to rape, kill her and sell the Snuff Film of it. Even when he's defeated, the Marionette King can only think about raping and killing Iori.
Like this?
Edited by KazuyaProta on Apr 22nd 2021 at 10:21:08 AM
Watch me destroying my country
The Dragon
Will Tokinada be going in the Anime & Manga archive?
What's the Work?
Once again from me the Ducktales (2017) Disney XD cartoon reboot.
It follows the adventures of the famous billionaire and adventurer Scrooge Mc Duck, along with his grandnephews Huey, Dewey and Louie, nephew Donald Duck, chauffeur Launchpad, housekeeper Mrs. Beakley and his daughter Webby.
They've encountered many enemies through their adventures and one I'm going introduce you to is the episodic villain Ponce de Leon.
Who is Ponce de Leon/What Has He Done?
500 years prior to the series Ponce de Leon was originally a Spanish Conquistador until he discovered the Fountain of the Foreverglades and its ability to sap people's youth into its water.
To use the fountain he murdered his crew and countless others throughout the centuries by luring them to it and tossing them in to drink up their stolen youth and keep himself young.
Having gotten harder to lure in victims through this means, Pounce de Leon redirected the fountain's water to a pool where he built the Conquistador Inn to attract teenagers and drain their youth, which would leave them in advanced age.
When the triplets discovered this, he kidnapped and held them at sword-point, planning to age them to where they'd be so old they wouldn't remember anything about what they knew. Then when Scrooge and Goldie confront him having figured him out, he attempts to kill them.
During the final moments of his life where he falls into his youth draining pool, he attempts to drag Scrooge down with him and drown him.
Heinous Standard
Most of the villains from Ducktales have some sympathetic motivation for what they do (Ma Beagle wanting the deed to Duckburg), too comical to be taken completely serious (Glomgold, Mark Beaks and Don Karnage), care for others (Magica with her twin brother Poe) or made something of a redemption (Doofus). Ponce de Leon however cares only for himself and staying young, not caring what he has to do or who he has to sacrifice to do it, including children and his own crew.
Mitigating Qualities
He does a few humorous moments and is shown being respectful to his patrons, but that's more than likely a facade.
Conclusion
Despite being a one-shot villain, I believe he really stands out among the villains.
Edited by CelestialDraco on Apr 22nd 2021 at 10:45:22 AM
The Draftsman of Doom
- Has it been two weeks? Did you reserve it?
- If it has been two weeks, keep in mind that General Lunaris tried to destroy Earth or something like that.
~Tropers/Scraggle, did I get that right?
Welcome to the thread, by the way.
Edit: Abstain on DeLeon.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Apr 22nd 2021 at 11:45:54 AM
Woagh
Before voting, how explicit is his kill count?
to be fair, the good General was, well, a general of a space army, and this guy has a different MO. Also, I think it has been two weeks.
Edited by DoodSlayer136 on Apr 22nd 2021 at 8:38:09 AM
NOISE IS CALLING, PICK UP PHONE
It's been a while since I saw the episode, but I don't recall it being mentioned that Ponce de Leon actually killed anyone in his scheme. I'll have to double-check.
Edited by dragonfire5000 on Apr 22nd 2021 at 8:40:49 AM
Oh, it's been lots of time since Ponce de Leon's episode came out. That said, no, Leon doesn't count. IIRC he doesn't kill anyone and it's never even implied—he just turns his victims into old people. He's the only one actually shown dying as a result of his Karmic Death.
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It should be changed back before long.
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