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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

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What is the Work

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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#256451: Apr 17th 2021 at 4:01:22 PM

There’s a bit of a difference between using a specific date as a safe combination and keeping a pristine photo of their mother in an otherwise flooded room. Agreeing with Lighty here

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#256452: Apr 17th 2021 at 4:02:38 PM

Isn't it just an ancestral honour thing like Baron Vorderberg ?

Considering Marsh doesn't even know his great great grandfather.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#256453: Apr 17th 2021 at 4:07:15 PM

Abstaining on Agatha but as I support Ivo’s cut I’ve gotta say this is an apples and oranges comparison. A date used as a combo for a safe is ambiguous at best in the first place and what Lighty’s bringing up makes it all the more questionable. On the flip side a dilapidated manor in which the only well kept item is a portrait of the villain’s mother? The game is telling you something there.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#256454: Apr 17th 2021 at 4:09:00 PM

Robert doesn’t even call him an honored or beloved one either. Just says he will suceed where Obed didn’t

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#256455: Apr 17th 2021 at 4:09:38 PM

Ah so it is an ancestral honour thing. Where he just wants to win where his predecessor failed.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#256456: Apr 17th 2021 at 4:11:07 PM

I can’t even say it revolves around honor. It’s just a mention of Obed didn’t do it but he will. Nothing in the game shows that Robert places much emphasis on familial ties or anything but the Order and its goals.

LargoQuagmire Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#256457: Apr 17th 2021 at 4:11:11 PM

The date as a safe combo is not really an indicator here. If it was, say, the year he married his significant other, I'd feel differently.

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#256458: Apr 17th 2021 at 4:12:53 PM

Okay, one more thing, considering how Cthulhu and his kin tend to corrupt and warp the minds of everyone around him, does being a Deep One (like Robert Marsh) can impale someone's agency? Considering that all of them are evil.

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#256459: Apr 17th 2021 at 4:12:57 PM

keep Obed, that isn't nearly enough to indicate he cares for his ancestor.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#256460: Apr 17th 2021 at 4:14:45 PM

[up][up] no, it doesn’t work like that in the game there. Nothing implies Robert is working off impaired agency; he’s far more fanatical than his brother who at least seems to give a damn about his son.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#256461: Apr 17th 2021 at 4:15:42 PM

Should note in the original book. The deep ones actually seem to care for each other from what we see. Them being always chaotic evil came from later stuff

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
crankers Since: Mar, 2014
#256462: Apr 17th 2021 at 4:17:08 PM

[tup] To the Anti Monitor.

By the way, I read that comic and there is a minor subplot in it that I could not for the life of me understand; it's revealed that The Anti-Monitor has made himself completely invincible because he has... a Van De Graaff Generator. No, that's not a maguffin in the DC Universe, it's that metal electric ball that makes your hair stand on end and it's never explained why it makes the Ani-Monitor unstoppable.

I asked some guys in a forum on what was going on and the best explanation? Van De Graff Generators generate Direct Current.

They are DC Generators.

Edited by crankers on Apr 17th 2021 at 5:56:42 AM

DoodSlayer136 It's Him from SAGE (Snick Amateur Game Expo) (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#256464: Apr 17th 2021 at 4:41:57 PM

......that is the most hidden pun I’ve ever seen in my life

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#256465: Apr 17th 2021 at 4:50:06 PM

Maybe the comparison wasn't the best still feels a bit weird though.

DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#256466: Apr 17th 2021 at 5:15:19 PM

Solidifying my [tup] for Brainiac and Anti-Monitor.

Keep Robert Marsh.

As for Agatha, I'm still waiting for an answer to the thread's query about her potential care for her Ghost Pokemon.

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#256467: Apr 17th 2021 at 5:28:51 PM

[tup] Anti Monitor. So not only do we get a Scribblenauts CM, we also get TWO of them. This day is just full of surprises.

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#256468: Apr 17th 2021 at 5:31:12 PM

[tup] Braniac and Anti-Moniter, pretty damn surprising to say the least.

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#256469: Apr 17th 2021 at 5:32:21 PM

[tup]Anti Monitor (Talk about a Stealth Pun) and keeping Marsh.

hold off on Agatha (insert Wanda Vision joke here)

wingedcatgirl mys. minty from the silly dimension from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
mys. minty from the silly dimension
#256470: Apr 17th 2021 at 5:48:09 PM

I forget, do edits to CM entries need to go through this thread too, or only new examples? Cause ~White Rose Samurai did a bunch of tweaks on Asahi's writeup at YMMV.Final Fantasy XIV.

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Apr 17th 2021 at 7:49:17 AM

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#256471: Apr 17th 2021 at 5:57:07 PM

Sure to Anti-Monitor.

Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#256472: Apr 17th 2021 at 6:01:16 PM

  • Scribblenauts Unmasked; A Crisis of Imagination: Anti Monitor is the mastermind who sends his Shadow Demons to possess civilians to instigate chaos across the universe while supplying advance weapons to several supervillains to further spread destruction and corrupt heroes into fighting their own allies. The Anti-Monitor later has his Weaponers invade the planet Rann, installing a tower to telepathically control the civilians into attacking each other. When his fortress has been invaded by the Justice League, Anti-Monitor destroys Brainiac's ship knocking almost all of the heroes, and attempts to kill Maxwell and his sister until Phantom Stranger intervenes to which Anti-Monitor murders by erasing him from existence. He imprisons all of the defeated heroes within his tower until Maxwell and his friends break them out and attack Anti-Monitor, to which he would later activate his tower and successfully destroys the multiverse leaving nothing but a blank void.

Edited by Powermaster201 on Apr 17th 2021 at 9:04:09 AM

falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#256473: Apr 17th 2021 at 6:07:15 PM

Yes to Galton and the Anti-Monitor, and switching to a yes on Brainiac with the clarification provided.

Abstain on Agatha.

Edited by falcontalons on Apr 17th 2021 at 6:07:39 AM

RobertTYL Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#256474: Apr 17th 2021 at 6:13:55 PM

Yes to King Galtan and the Anti-Monitor.

No, don't remove guy with my name from the CM list

Draxterrus An Eldritch Troper Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
An Eldritch Troper
#256475: Apr 17th 2021 at 6:14:21 PM

Yes to Galton, Brainiac and Anti-Monitor.

Cut Dark Danny.

Humanity is defined by its absurdity, and I am no exception.

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