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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

TheJokster22 Logical from Down Unda Since: Mar, 2017 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#256352: Apr 16th 2021 at 7:44:10 PM

I'm in the process of reading the comic myself, so far I'm at issue two.

DoodSlayer136 It's Him from SAGE (Snick Amateur Game Expo) (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
It's Him
#256353: Apr 16th 2021 at 7:49:44 PM

Might as well get this question out of the way: Is said comic canon? Scribblenauts has enough callbacks to say that it has an actual timeline.

Edited by DoodSlayer136 on Apr 16th 2021 at 8:02:51 AM

Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#256354: Apr 16th 2021 at 7:51:47 PM

Apparently it takes place shortly after the events of the game, but I'm not sure if it's canon or not.

[down]... Oh, well guess now I'm gonna scrap that idea of reading the comic :

[down] Ah okay then, I was a bit confused at what you were saying.

Edited by Powermaster201 on Apr 16th 2021 at 11:06:21 AM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#256355: Apr 16th 2021 at 7:51:48 PM

Once upon a time I read the Scribblenauts comic and disagreed with the Anti-Monitor because consensus was back then he was a GDV. We've since agreed otherwise on his primary incarnation and I can reliably say from memory the Anti-Monitor in Scribblenauts is pretty much the exact same as his main counterpart.

I'm saying yes to this version of Brainiac under a similar clause. If nobody else wants to I'd be happy to cover the Anti-Monitor; it'd be a very basic post.

As to the query as whether or not Scribblenauts is like Drawn to Life—barring accidental and usually morbidly hilarious Fridge Horror that comes from delving too deep into the game's "create anything" system, no. Everyone who's a qualifier here was an Omnicidal Maniac in the original canon .

[up] My EP on Anti-Monitor was entirely contigent on "if nobody else wanted to do him first." With my encouragement, and preemptive yes—Anti-Monitor's all yours.

Edited by Scraggle on Apr 17th 2021 at 10:00:14 AM

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#256356: Apr 16th 2021 at 8:14:29 PM

Okay, so I am guessing nothing mitigating pops up about Brainiac here, so I’ll say [tup] unless Powermaster brings anything up.

So, I actually have a candidate I am thinking of, but there is something I want to get out of the way. She’s a human-turned-demon who is definitely heinous enough, but she also refers to her fellow demons as her “friends” like three times. Thing is, we don’t see her interact with them, and I actually spoke to the creator on Discord who confirmed that her “friends” are basically just followers and aren’t genuine friends, so there is no genuine affection there. I know that we are not supposed to rely on Word of God, but is clearing up a little detail like this okay? If it helps, in the work she flat-out says, word-for-word, that “love doesn’t exist”, further supporting the idea that she doesn’t actually care for her fellow demons.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#256357: Apr 16th 2021 at 8:32:46 PM

I'm gonna abstain on Brainiac until we get more clarity on this potential mitigating factor.

So the next Dead by Daylight chapter just got announced - it's a crossover with Resident Evil. Hope no one minds if I take that.

Of course the killer will most likely be some kind of bioweapon, but just in case it's Wesker or something.

As for [up], I'd be willing to hear it out. If she's calling them friend but doesn't believe that love exists, then even disregarding Word of God on the subject I'd be inclined to disregard it.

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Apr 16th 2021 at 12:06:26 PM

RobertTYL Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#256358: Apr 16th 2021 at 8:56:19 PM

[up][up] I think we can count that? Steppenwolf (2017 version) affectionately calls the mother box "mother" in a genuinely affective way, and he's still heinous enough to be a monster

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#256359: Apr 16th 2021 at 9:00:36 PM

Switching to abstain on Brainiac until the comic stuff is clarified

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#256360: Apr 16th 2021 at 9:28:15 PM

Tentative [tup] to Brainiac reading Scraggle’s argument. (Also looking forward to his ep on Anti-Monitor)

Edited by G-Editor on Apr 16th 2021 at 12:28:24 PM

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
LargoQuagmire Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#256361: Apr 16th 2021 at 9:56:42 PM

Would also like Braniac's comic representation before voting.

Cut Dark Danny.

Uh... I think that's it on things that need my input? Also RIP Helen Mc Crory, Narcissa is the secret Harry Potter MVP.

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#256362: Apr 17th 2021 at 2:42:36 AM

Cut Dark Danny. Abstain on Brainiac for now.
Best of luck Bullman.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#256363: Apr 17th 2021 at 2:46:27 AM

"Y'know, if I had even an ounce of human emotion left in me this would be a touching reunion. But of course, I surrendered that human half a long time ago."

That in and of itself seems more like Card-Carrying Villain than lack of agency. The other stuff though...yeah, Dark Danny seems like a cut.

CaptainPinkiePie from Equestria with love Since: Mar, 2019 Relationship Status: Brony
#256364: Apr 17th 2021 at 3:38:00 AM

[tup] Brainiac

Cut Ivo Shandor and Dark Danny.

Man, two cuts in one day. What a bummer.just bugs me

Captain Pinkie Pie! Nah, just Pinkie Pie.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#256365: Apr 17th 2021 at 4:15:12 AM

Maybe 3 cuts. What's the consensus on that RWBY fanfic villain?

falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#256366: Apr 17th 2021 at 4:31:17 AM

Yes to Gorm. Abstain on Brainiac for now. Keep Hazel. Cut Dark Danny.

Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#256367: Apr 17th 2021 at 6:15:50 AM

I'm gonna say keep on Hazel due to Starcrusher's counterargument.

Edited by Powermaster201 on Apr 17th 2021 at 9:16:07 AM

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#256368: Apr 17th 2021 at 6:18:14 AM

How do we officially handle voting on cuts? Is it "five more votes to cut over keep" like it is with EP's?

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Apr 17th 2021 at 9:45:50 AM

ANewMan A total has-been. Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A total has-been.
#256370: Apr 17th 2021 at 7:11:46 AM

Cut Dark Danny and [tup] Brainiac (even the Even Evil Has Standards things from the comic doesn't sound that mitigating if it's just that Brainiac has a self-justifying rationale for being an Omnicidal Maniac while Anti-Monitor doesn't.)

May also have my own fairly surprising candidate to propose later.

[down][down] There recently was one character in Spongebob Comics who came close to qualifying, but everything in Spongebob ultimately gets shrugged off and taken lightly too much for anyone to actually stick a landing in a trope like this.

Edited by ANewMan on Apr 17th 2021 at 8:27:25 AM

falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#256371: Apr 17th 2021 at 7:57:33 AM

@Star: Usually, yeah, it's five more cut votes than keep votes; however, in more divisive cases, we sometimes look at the past discussion(s) and factor in the keep and cut votes from then to see if the original tally still holds up.

RK93 Since: Aug, 2020
#256372: Apr 17th 2021 at 8:22:40 AM

[tdown] to Dark Danny (never thought I'd say this).

[tup] to Brainiac. Like, holy shit, first Shrek gets a CM, and now Scribblenauts? What's next, SpongeBob SquarePants?!

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#256373: Apr 17th 2021 at 8:24:27 AM

Wait, Shrek??? What'd I miss??

Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#256374: Apr 17th 2021 at 8:25:12 AM

[up] I think he's referring to the Bloodwolf from the The Adventures of Puss In Boots

RobertTYL Since: Oct, 2019 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#256375: Apr 17th 2021 at 8:42:52 AM

Next unlikely franchise to get a CM: Sesame Street, Banana in Pyjamas, Bob the Builder, Noddy and Friends...

Ok that was a (bad) joke, I'll zip it now :|


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