During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
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It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
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What is the Work
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
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Final Verdict?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Yes to Nero and his sister.
If there are no objections, I think I'm gonna take The Trickster. He's an easy keeper all things considered, and I even saw there was an unapproved entry for him that got cut. I'll bring an EP down the pipe soon.
Good luck mir, I'm rooting for you!
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Apr 12th 2021 at 7:59:52 AM
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Just make sure there's something unique, like the Clown's Would Hurt a Child or the Doctor's Mind Rape.
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He’s pretty much a K-Pop star who’s also a serial killer (name one other piece of media that has that) who uses the screams of his victims in his songs and willingly the entity’s game rather than being spirited away there. That should be unique enough
@mir good luck on the test (I got SAT’s coming up)
Edited by nwotyzal on Apr 12th 2021 at 5:02:00 AM
Okay, final Drakengard candidate. This takes place during the other prequel manga Utahime Five, which focuses on the Intoner sisters One through Five—so-called central antagonists of the third game (actually, the flower growing out of the main protagonist's eye is an Eldritch Abomination! Fun!)—as kids, back when they were actually all good people and genuine heroes. The prequel manga is marginally softer than the other manga.
Marginally.
Who is Lord Bass? What has he done?
Lord of the Country of the Sands and the manga's Starter Villain, Lord Bass is one of the decadents Lords of the Lands, a scheming cabal who together want to unlock the Mercurius Gate to steal all of the world's power and knowledge. They're corrupt, evil tyrants, but Bass is far and away the worst of them.
For starters, Lord Bass has been kidnapping countless dozens of children from his region, arresting and then murdering their parents. The peasants who went to appeal to Lord Bass for their children back were murdered and their bodies left to hang and rot outside on the castle walls as a macabre warning. The serial child kidnappings are exactly why One and her sisters come down on Lord Bass first in their mission to defeat the Lords.
Turns out all the kids are dead. Surprise. Lord Bass has been dissecting each and every one of the kids he's murdered to make horrible, godawful artwork with their body parts. He makes dolls made of their skin and bones; stuffs their corpses, dresses them up like cherubim and puts them on displays; puts up tapestries of their flayed skin...I think you get the picture.
Lord Bass is interrupted by One and her sisters when he's in the middle of dissecting the cadaver of a kid who looks no older than five to make her body into a doll. Turns out making "artwork" out of the bodies of dead kids isn't Lord Bass' only specialty—Bass also transforms innocent people he's captured into warped, horrible monsters he uses as foot soldiers, promptly dispatching them on One and her sisters. One eventually catches the guy and spares no mercy for him whatsoever, smashing his head against a wall so hard it explodes.
Any mitigating factors?
I mean...Drakengard is dark and shit. The protagonists of this story end up growing up to be the villains of the third game (well, mostly—Two, for instance, never turns evil) and while they're all miles away from keeping, crimes spread out among them involve human experimentation, rape and mass murder. They're not nice people, and neither is Zero, the game's protagonist mincing her way through her sisters and everyone loyal to them (to stop said Flower from fucking up all reality, but still).
...that said, Bass' crimes are some Berserk-level fuckery. Needless to say, no, none of the Lords are ever this bad, none of the Intoners or other human villains ever are either (Bass isn't even an Intoner—i.e. a song-based magic user), and nobody ever gets to the level of hurting kids the horrible ways Bass does. There was a pedophile tyrant in the same manga Nero and his sister kept from, but he was onscreen for about a page. Nowhere near the same level as what this fucker is doing.
Conclusion?
I'll leave y'all to be the judge if the person stuffing and mounting dead kids might, by some coincidence, fit this trope's qualifications.
Edited by Scraggle on Apr 12th 2021 at 6:40:44 AM
Lord Bass.
Also, I rediscovered this long forgotten show from my boyhood, Galidor. Gonna be checking it out, see if it's Big Bad Gorm might be worth discussing.
Edited by Beast on Apr 12th 2021 at 5:45:27 AM
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."That took much less time than I expected, so here I am with the Trickster.
What is the work?
Let's face it, we all know Dead by Daylight by now, so I'm not gonna get into too much detail, but just to briefly summarize: it's a horror game in which four survivors seek to escape from an unstoppable Killer, all at the whims of the Eldritch entity that controls the realm they find themselves in. Fun times, I know, but it's a great candidate for some unique CMs - with the most recent update, we got Ji-Woon Hak, otherwise known as the Trickster.
Who is the Trickster? What does he do?
Ji-Woon Hak was born and raised in South Korea. As a child, he worked for his father's restaurant as a tourist attraction, using throwing knives to entice tourists to hand over money and visit the restaurant. He quickly became an Attention Whore who did everything in his power to get people to notice him, which only got worse when he was recruited for the K-pop group NO SPIN. While he loved the attention he got, having to split it with his four bandmates soured the experience - until one day, in the recording studio, a loose wire set the building on fire while he was out, and he deliberately left his bandmates trapped after realizing that he could get all of their fame for himself. His bandmates screams were music to his ears, and he decided to create more.
From there, he became a solo artist known as "The Trickster" capitalizing off of the tragedy, but he took it a step further. He now had bloodlust from the screams and craved them. His first victim was a college student that he dissected, but it wasn't enough for him since he had to duct tape the kid's mouth shut to avoid someone hearing. So his next victim was taken to an abandoned building instead, allowing them to scream as loud as they wanted. He experimented on his victims, quickly learning what kinds of damage caused what kinds of sounds for his "music" - and through it all, he recorded his victims' screams, putting them into his music behind walls of melodies.
Although his manager suspected something was up, he was allowed to tour and kill unchecked for months, even as he left clues for the police - such as stabbing his diamond cufflinks into a victim's eyes after meeting her at a VIP fan event and even leaving a boa of his around another victim's slashed throat. However, as his murder career took off, his music career started to tank, and eventually the executives stepped in and decided that he could no longer self-produce his own songs. This enraged him beyond belief, but when given three months to come up with more music and save his career, he began planning his magnum opus.
After buying a shitton of nitrous oxide from a vet, he rigged the private theatre for the demonstration to gas the building while he arrived late. When he arrived to a theatre full of unconscious bodies, he worked fast, tying everyone down before they could resist. Setting his phone to record, he began torturing and killing everyone present, forcing his manager (the one who found him and raised him to stardom) to watch as he killed everyone there, including executives and stagehands. After taking his time with the torture and killing, he turned to her and began moving towards her, when out of nowhere, a fog appeared promising him the chance to continue his work. Taking this opportunity, he willingly entered the fog, now serving as one of the Entity's enthusiastic minions.
Any mitigating factors? Freudian Excuse?
For him, none whatsoever. He's an egomaniac Attention Whore sadist who cares about nothing but killing as many people as possible to satisfy his own immeasurable bloodlust and gain as much fame as possible. The game does have the general problem of Offscreen Villainy, but bits of his backstory are worked into his character in-game: the wire that started the fire that killed his bandmates is a power-up for him (establishing it as a fond memory), his Momento Mori animation captures his Attention Whore personality (he throws like 20 knives into the target and then leaves them an autographed picture), he winks at the player when the game starts (and I really do mean the player, not the camera), and his power all revolves around the throwing knives he used to entertain tourists as a child. Plus, he laughs and even speaks in-game (albeit in Korean), giving him much more of a personality than most of the Killers. I say he clears it.
Does he meet the heinous standard?
This is the issue that disqualifies most people from the game since they're not unique, but Trickster is an exception.
He entered the game willingly, a trait shared only with Myers. Physical torture of innocents is a crime unique to him - the Doctor uses Mind Rape, while the Blight's victims are both prisoners and pretty much glossed over. He goes the extra mile of putting his victims' screams into his songs - and they did that for his chase music
too, so we get to hear it for ourselves. Yay. His backstory and his manager's backstory establish at least 15 victims, all of whom are innocents, and many of whom are mutilated with things like "I HAVE SEEN GOD" written on them in blood. Obviously all of the Killers kill people, but none of them do it in such a dramatic and drawn out fashion like he does, even sadistic freaks like Freddy - everyone else gets straight to the killing. He takes his time to record their screams. Overall, I say he stands out.
Final verdict?
I think he keeps, all things considered. What about you?
The lore is wild and is only getting bigger, but the game itself is pretty fun!
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He starts to save them, and then has his realization and stops. If anything, it's even worse. I don't know where you heard that from cause it's straight up wrong.
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Apr 12th 2021 at 9:14:38 AM

Edited by nwotyzal on Apr 12th 2021 at 4:11:43 AM