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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#251626: Mar 12th 2021 at 1:31:00 PM

ACW: Yes he did. And plot points of his show became important to the Legends of Tommorow. Neither of which has or probably will happen to Lucifer.

Edited by Bullman on Mar 12th 2021 at 3:41:46 AM

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STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#251627: Mar 12th 2021 at 1:32:00 PM

Basically, it's as much of the Arrowverse as Smallville is.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#251628: Mar 12th 2021 at 1:45:27 PM

[tup] D'anclaude

Need more info on Shelley

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#251629: Mar 12th 2021 at 1:46:23 PM

Alright as promised I will be doing this.

What is the Work

Mortal Kombat: The Journey Begins is an OVA animated film that was meant as a sort of prequel to the first movie. Though the canonicity between the two films is apparently considered pretty questionable.

Who is Shang Tsung and What Has He Done?

Note: Due to the weird way the story is handled in terms of jumping from flashback to flashback I will be talking about his actions in chronological order.

Shang Tsung as always is the Evil Sorcerer of Outworld and the right hand of the emperor. In the past he showed up to the Mortal Kombat tournaments killing all the tournament grandmasters and absorbing their souls trapping them in perpetual torment. He uses their death to take over the tournament and begins a nine tournament win streak for Outworld where he would get many people killed and absorb their souls for a damn long time. All so the emperor could destroy Earth which Shang Tsung was perfectly fine with.

However, during the tenth tournament, he was defeated by The Great Kung Lao. The emperor as punishment for his failure sent Shang Tsung to the slave mines where he would meet Goro. He would use Goro in the next tournament to defeat The Great Kung Lao. And even though The Great Kung Lao had lost Shang Tsung ordered Goro to finish him off which Goro did not see about to do. He then also took The Great Kung Lao’s soul.

He and Goro would lead Outworld to another 9 tournament win streak continuing to get many people killed and absorb their souls. During the events of the film, a new set of heroes would come to the tournament on a boat. To prevent them from ever getting their Shang Tsung orders one of his minions, Sub-Zero to kill them and make their deaths look like an accident which he fails at.

Nothing else really notable happens after this besides him sending the tarkatan horde after the heroes due to the film ending right there.

Does he have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Now he does put up a polite facade but that is all it is just a facade it is not genuine in any way and is solely used to manipulate people and get out of trouble.

Now one thing I should bring up is if he is different enough from the film version to warrant his own entry and I will say he is. He firstly has multiple crimes that were never in the film like ordering Sub-Zero to kill the heroes and make their deaths look like an accident and his murder of all the tournament grandmasters, as well as him telling Goro to murder The Great Kung Lao actually being shown instead of just mentioned. The context behind many of his actions is also different as I have already mentioned.

Does he meet the Heinousness Standard?

He does meet it pretty easily multiple murders and attempted murders stealing the souls of his victims and trapping them in endless torment, as well as running a death tournament where many died and he took the souls for himself all so Earthrealm could be destroyed. All of his crimes are also onscreen either shown in flashbacks or with very clear results and effects if they are not shown.

The emperor of outworld is mentioned (we know exactly who he is but he is never said by name). But he doesn't have any confirmed really bad deeds and just severs as a background character.

Final Verdict?

Yes to another Shang Tsung.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Mar 12th 2021 at 1:57:52 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#251630: Mar 12th 2021 at 1:48:39 PM

[tup]Shang

Another for Jim Cummings. Winny the pooh is on a role. [lol]

Edited by miraculous on Mar 12th 2021 at 1:49:33 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#251631: Mar 12th 2021 at 1:49:30 PM

[tup] to Shang Tsung

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
ImperialMajestyXO Since: Nov, 2015
#251633: Mar 12th 2021 at 1:50:31 PM

[up][up][up] Maybe that's the real reason he's Banned in China. [lol]

[tup] to Shang

Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Mar 12th 2021 at 1:50:40 AM

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#251634: Mar 12th 2021 at 1:51:49 PM

[tup] to Shang

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
DoodSlayer136 It's Him from SAGE (Snick Amateur Game Expo) (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#251636: Mar 12th 2021 at 1:53:37 PM

[tup] Shang, from one of the worst things to come from the franchise.

It's Spooky Month!
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#251637: Mar 12th 2021 at 1:54:19 PM

[up] Man that animation was horrible.

Dimon Since: Mar, 2017 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#251638: Mar 12th 2021 at 1:55:05 PM

I think we should discuss these characters:

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#251639: Mar 12th 2021 at 1:56:48 PM

This Shang seems bad enough.

His 6th CM incarnation, breaking a tie with Quan Chi and Shinnok. Still well behind Shao Kahn's 10 though.

Was the animation really that bad?

Edited by ACW on Mar 12th 2021 at 4:58:02 AM

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#251640: Mar 12th 2021 at 1:58:57 PM

[up] It's mostly the CGI animation the 2d animation is not good but not the worst I have seen the CGI is ungodly bad.

Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#251641: Mar 12th 2021 at 2:01:00 PM

[tup] to another Shang Tsung. Haven't seen the film, but seeing that everyone here so far is saying that the animation is bad, that may be for the best.

falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#251644: Mar 12th 2021 at 2:11:35 PM

The pending stuff:

Edited by ACW on Mar 12th 2021 at 5:11:49 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#251645: Mar 12th 2021 at 2:12:26 PM

Speaking of Mortal Kombat. It's listed on the Live-Action Films section for ones with their own pages. However despite this the film examples are still listed on K to N page. Should we move them or just remove the link?

Edited by Bullman on Mar 12th 2021 at 4:13:53 AM

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Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#251646: Mar 12th 2021 at 2:12:36 PM

I should probably get to the writeups for my two characters should be ready by the end of the day at the latest.

[up] They were already removed on the Sandbox we just need to wait for them to be swapped.

I am also wondering should we list Mortal Kombat on the Animated Films section since we have two now and with the next animated film coming up there is likely to be more.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Mar 12th 2021 at 2:14:09 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#251647: Mar 12th 2021 at 2:14:46 PM

[up] Oh I forgot to check the sandboxes. Sorry my bad.

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#251648: Mar 12th 2021 at 2:20:17 PM

Bullman: I just did that today. They'll be removed from the films page when I submit the batch. And yes, there are only 2 films, but they're well enough known, plus they gave the theme and Your Soul Is Mine!.

Animated films, OTOH, I'm not sure is necessary for now. Neither of the 2 are SUPER important to the franchise.

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#251649: Mar 12th 2021 at 2:24:15 PM

[up] Perhaps I guess we could just wait for the next film to come out.

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary

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