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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#251351: Mar 10th 2021 at 8:26:41 AM

[up]I used that for Haley already. I want a unique one for each .

[up][up]Possibly ?

Edited by miraculous on Mar 10th 2021 at 8:27:04 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#251353: Mar 10th 2021 at 8:36:06 AM

Also is her surname actually Blackstone. Wikia and idmb said it was Blackshaw.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#251354: Mar 10th 2021 at 8:46:14 AM

[up][up][up] I don't think there is any rule you need to use a unique pothole for each name I mean Disney uses Big Bad several times for name potholes.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#251355: Mar 10th 2021 at 8:48:34 AM

Well given that potholing is purely for aesthetics and done for fun, I think they can do variety where possible just for the sake of changing it up.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#251356: Mar 10th 2021 at 8:49:55 AM

Mir: Okay I checked the episodes credits, and she is credited as "Blackshaw".

Any thoughts on my suggested change?

Edited by MGD107 on Mar 10th 2021 at 8:50:25 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#251357: Mar 10th 2021 at 8:55:41 AM

Yeah, if necessary we can repeat, but if possible I like to use different ones (doing that for In Death was a bit tricky at times).

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#251358: Mar 10th 2021 at 8:56:18 AM

[up][up][up][up]Oh theirs no rule or anything. I just thought it would work better esthetic wise.

Edited by miraculous on Mar 10th 2021 at 8:56:43 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#251359: Mar 10th 2021 at 9:30:15 AM

[tup] Pandora, Diamond eyes (from the Roblox EP)

Trans rights are human rights. If you don't think that, please leave.
RK93 Since: Aug, 2020
#251360: Mar 10th 2021 at 9:35:37 AM

Can I already do a draft on DIAM0NDEYES or do I have to wait for something?

Edited by RK93 on Mar 10th 2021 at 9:36:04 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#251361: Mar 10th 2021 at 9:51:27 AM

If there are 5 more yes votes than no votes, go ahead.

RK93 Since: Aug, 2020
#251362: Mar 10th 2021 at 9:54:30 AM

Ok there are 12 [tup] votes, 0 [tdown] votes an an unknown number of abstain votes (didn't count those). Time to make the draft.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#251363: Mar 10th 2021 at 9:57:27 AM

Please also add here. I'll take it from there.

RK93 Since: Aug, 2020
#251364: Mar 10th 2021 at 10:07:33 AM

Ok, I did it. Does it look good?

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#251365: Mar 10th 2021 at 10:10:01 AM

  • Roblox: DIAM0NDEYES from "The Smiles Family" crashed on Earth before the dinosaurs and for an unknown amount of time, corrupted humans into killing other humans. In 1936, she convinced Lloyd Joe that she can bring back his dead brother Roy if he kills 50 people in a mansion, and after Lloyd did it, DIAM0NDEYES revived Roy, but then corrupted both him and Lloyd into her minions. Present day, she repeatedly tries and fails to manipulate Albert into killing the children of the Smiles Family. After Robert Smiles refuses to murder someone, DIAM0NDEYES corrupts and makes Robert kill himself, using his corpse as another minion. After killing her brother, kidnapping the children herself and trapping them inside a staff, DIAM0NDEYES reveals her plans to tear Earth into pieces and then pulls one last unsuccessful attempt at making Albert kill the children, this time making them fall into a pit that would erase them from existence.

Is it from Roblox itself, or is it from a fanwork, or what? Looking it up, I'm a BIT unclear on what, exactly, it IS.

DoodSlayer136 It's Him from SAGE (Snick Amateur Game Expo) (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
It's Him
#251366: Mar 10th 2021 at 10:13:04 AM

[up] Roblox games are listed on the YMMV page proper, so there's that.

RK93 Since: Aug, 2020
#251367: Mar 10th 2021 at 10:14:27 AM

It's a myth/roleplay but the last part got is a game.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#251368: Mar 10th 2021 at 10:27:15 AM

I...guess it goes to the main video game page then? I'll link to this.

Edited by ACW on Mar 10th 2021 at 1:28:13 PM

Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#251369: Mar 10th 2021 at 10:38:55 AM

Just removed an unapproved entry from YMMV.Snarled.

  • Complete Monster:
    • Lady Blanca: It's one thing when the grandmother in the story is abusive to her granddaughters by starving them and badmouthing them. But as the story progresses, we learn she's far more mean-spirited than that. It turns out she's a practitioner of black magic, meaning she sold her soul at one point. She used this power to curse her daughter-in-law and granddaughters, and we mean curse them. The curse attracts a malicious demon to haunt their dreams and eventually kill them. Yes, she would curse her grandchildren on the basis that they're related to their mother. And she tortured and sacrificed a mother cat and her innocent newborn kittens to invoke said-curse.

Why so serious?
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#251370: Mar 10th 2021 at 10:40:35 AM

Sounds bad but compared to the other three....

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
DrScavenge27 Since: Jul, 2020
#251371: Mar 10th 2021 at 10:41:01 AM

[tup] to Pandora and DIAM0NDEYES.

Edited by DrScavenge27 on Mar 10th 2021 at 10:43:05 AM

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#251372: Mar 10th 2021 at 10:46:47 AM

[up][up][up] Pretty detestable, but not sure if it's this trope.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
RK93 Since: Aug, 2020
#251373: Mar 10th 2021 at 11:37:29 AM

Also, I slightly changed Diamond's draft if you don't mind.

SpaceProtagonist (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded) Relationship Status: Abstaining
#251374: Mar 10th 2021 at 11:45:12 AM

There's something I need to inform you about relating to an existing entry

  • Complete Monster: Charles "Uncle Charlie" Oakley is a seemingly affable and caring man who in actuality is a cold-blooded Serial Killer known as the "Merry Widow Murderer". Denouncing widows as "greedy, fat wheezing animals" who exploit their husbands' hard-earned wealth, Charles has strangled at least four women to death, stealing their fortunes for himself. When his niece discovers evidence of his dark secret, Charles sets about attempting to murder her, sabotaging a staircase to make her fall to her death, locking her in a garage with a running car to asphyxiate her, and ultimately attempting to throw her off a speeding train. A misanthropic maniac who has no remorse for his petty actions, Uncle Charlie stands out as one of the earliest, and most vile, depictions of a sociopath in film.

I had just came back from recently rewatching Shadow of a Doubt for myself, and I can tell you that not all of the information on here is true.

  • Prior to the events of the film, Charles had murdered three women to death (all of them being wealthy widows, hence his nickname), while also stealing his latest victim's emerald ring. He's never seen (or mentioned) murdering another widow during the events of the film, so I don't think this point stands.
  • Charles may have started up the car's engine (and removed the key) to have her breathe in the exhaust fumes, but he didn't lock his niece in the garage. Young Charlie just happened to be checking the car, but the garage doors closed on their own with her inside (and the door locks someone in regularly, according to them). If anything Y. Charlie locked herself inside the garage to her doom.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#251375: Mar 10th 2021 at 12:23:58 PM

Simple solution: just amend the number of victims and change the garage bit to "attempts to suffocate her with exhaust fumes in a garage" since you verified that was still his intent.


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