During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.
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to everyone I missed").
No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.
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What is the Work
Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.
Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard
Final Verdict?
Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
The Draftsman of Doom
Yea to the Crawling Chaos.
Feels good, don't it?
Goku Black
For eldtrich monsters at least
Humans usually get Joseph curwen and keziah mason.
Edited by miraculous on Mar 4th 2021 at 2:42:05 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Well, considering most of Lovecraft's Eldritch Abominations operate on Blue-and-Orange Morality, while Nyarlathotep is a sadist who torments people for his own sick amusement and Y'golonac is so warped and disgusting that even servants of other Great Old Ones don't want to summon him...
Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Mar 4th 2021 at 2:53:14 AM
Ultimate Moral Compass
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Gnarly Nyarly
Lizzid people!
There was also Eihort, one of my top 3 favorite Lovecraftian gods that makes wagers with people, but yeah, "yes" to this Nyarly.
The Emperor of Evil!
to Nyarly-boi
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Yes to Nyarly.
I got a version of Cthulhu up. Well, he's not CALLED Cthulhu, but just look.
Goku Black
That episode takes alot of influence from Curious case of Charles Dexter Ward so it does make sense.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
The Dragon
I'm kind of late to this, but yes to cutting the Helltaker fic.
I'm actually planning on writing my own original work sometime in the future, and I do plan on having a couple of characters be C Ms. However make no mistake that I have zero intention on making a story for the sole purpose of making a CM. I do intend on creating a legitimate plot, and as for the C Ms I have in mind, I can guarantee that I will try my damnedest to not make them super-edgy psychopaths who torture puppies and rape babies for shits and giggles, I actually want them to have a bit of depth to them.
Edited by TiMBer1566 on Mar 4th 2021 at 3:56:51 AM
Professor Gigachad
I have been wondering why doesn't AlternateHistory.com have its own CM page it has 35 candidates way more than what is needed for one and the Web Original is big enough that a split could be justified and it already has other splits.
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
@MasterN: No, actually. I don't really know much about Lovecraftian shiz, and I didn't really even get that much into it until after I read stuff like The Kindness of Devils (which had a more modern-day portrayal of him) and The City of Never (which has a female Expy of him as a masked killer driven by hate) and To Welcome Oblivion (which had Nyarly manipulating preteens into cannibalizing each other while he danced to "Don't Stop Me Now." The fuck, Ravok? ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
).
So...yeah, I'm...this is genuinely surprising. I found a Nyarlathotep CM and I wasn't even looking for one.
Edited by Tyk5919 on Mar 4th 2021 at 6:39:01 AM
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
The Draftsman of Doom
Honestly? I wouldn't be entirely opposed to an Alternate History page.
Feels good, don't it?
Woagh
to Nyarly, as usual. Lovecraft stuff's always a favorite subject of mine.
On the current subject, we also have a Yog-Shoggoth and Hastur example from a Loud House fanfic of all things (It also has a Nyarly as well).
![[down]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_down.png "[down]"){kind=icon}
Oh yeah, forgot that strange bit of trivia. Still, first for Hastur at least.
Edited by DoodSlayer136 on Mar 4th 2021 at 3:05:12 AM
NOISE IS CALLING, PICK UP PHONE
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
If we do make one, we're gonna need a new page quote for Monster.Web Original.
Goku Black
We already have a Yog-Sottoh that counts.
Hes the Great intelligence in Doctor Who.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Professor Gigachad
There are some other Web Original quotes listed in Quotes.Complete Monster so we could just use one of those.
Edited by Ordeaux26 on Mar 4th 2021 at 3:04:34 AM
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
Yes to Nyarlathotep.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Holy fuck, AH has 35???
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Current mood: sick of your shit
Yes to Nyarly and I remember we elected not to make an AH page for... some reason despite its number of examples. Someone else can search for it if they'd like, I really don't care about that site and have no stake in this.
Based on the EP, to Nyarlathotep.
@Tyk Was that the one you were referring to?
I wanted to ask for more thoughts on Ronald and Legarski again. I think if there was anymore to say, it would’ve probably been said by now though.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Mar 4th 2021 at 3:19:38 AM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
I mean, I could go either way.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
I have no memory of ever discussing this, but my assumption would be that it's because there's no real connection between those works themselves? It'd be like creating a fanfic subpage for works hosted on AO3.
Edited by nrjxll on Mar 4th 2021 at 5:22:49 AM
Edited by MasterN on Mar 4th 2021 at 2:40:36 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.