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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#250526: Mar 4th 2021 at 11:57:16 AM

And four more to the Former Complete Monster Sandbox!

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go eat something. I ate thirty minutes ago, but I'm hungry again for some reason.

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#250527: Mar 4th 2021 at 11:59:15 AM

There's just all sorts of disgusting stuff that goes on in the fanfic like children getting mutilated, enslaved, or cannibalized on, women get raped, and all sorts of other horrors I don't even want to elaborate upon.

While I can't claim I don't like works with similar events, this really is starting to feel like something written to be as edgy as possible that slipped through our collective blindspot.

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
Amanofmanyinterests Gotta love Jaws! Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Gotta love Jaws!
#250528: Mar 4th 2021 at 12:00:33 PM

This is the first time I've looked at this thread since I first posted on it. I'm a little confused as to what happened here and I can't find the original post. Anyone mind explaining what happened real quick?

"For a second there, I mistook ya for a threat... but you're just a dirty little man!"
STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
WatTambor Since: Oct, 2020
#250530: Mar 4th 2021 at 12:01:35 PM

I am fine with cutting all of the examples from the Helltaker fic unless these types of crimes are normal for the canon game.

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#250531: Mar 4th 2021 at 12:01:51 PM

We're cutting characters from a gross fanfic by a troper here's the original post

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#250532: Mar 4th 2021 at 12:02:44 PM

And cut. Also, wait, Purple Man returned?

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#250533: Mar 4th 2021 at 12:02:48 PM

[up] Turned out a Troper-written fanfic with multiple keepers had a ton of schlock that ended up obfuscated, including a graphic scene of one CM being molested as a child just to show how "pure evil" she was for being unaffected.

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#250534: Mar 4th 2021 at 12:02:53 PM

@Wat Tambor Phhhhffffff, the original game was a Mother-Fucking Dating Sim. None of this shit was even a suggestion in the OG game.

Edited by nwotyzal on Mar 4th 2021 at 12:03:52 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#250535: Mar 4th 2021 at 12:03:18 PM

Lol.

Helltaker is a light hearted dating SIM. [lol]

Edit : [nja]

Edited by miraculous on Mar 4th 2021 at 12:05:31 PM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Amanofmanyinterests Gotta love Jaws! Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Gotta love Jaws!
#250536: Mar 4th 2021 at 12:06:56 PM

Fuuuuck... yeah that's uhh... not good. I don't wanna dogpile so I'll just say ban that fic since I don't want people writing best case overly edgy and worst case possibly harmful stuff just to fit this trope. That's just... man. The idea of portraying a victim of sexual assault in such a dark light makes ME feel uncomfortable so I really cannot imagine how that would feel to someone who has been through it.

Has anyone pm'd this troper about this by any chance?

"For a second there, I mistook ya for a threat... but you're just a dirty little man!"
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#250538: Mar 4th 2021 at 12:08:08 PM

I'm just gonna make this as simple as possible. And this is coming from someone who has written multiple stories with atrocious CMs in them, some of whom are Hate Sink rapists.

Write a story with a CM in it.

Do not write a CM with a story around it, unless the CM is a Villain Protagonist. And even then, your priority needs to be making a story for the sake of it being a story.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#250539: Mar 4th 2021 at 12:08:38 PM

[up] Thank you, Tyk

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#250540: Mar 4th 2021 at 12:09:34 PM

Cut and salt the earth of all the examples.

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#250542: Mar 4th 2021 at 12:10:52 PM

Yeah I am in favor of just cutting all the examples.

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#250543: Mar 4th 2021 at 12:11:55 PM

@nwot: Unfortunate time for an image suggestion - I'm inclined to say yes, but I'll admit the picture is spooky yet ambiguous.

[down][down] That's really what I meant, but yeah - unfortunate timing overall

Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Mar 4th 2021 at 3:14:43 PM

falcontalons from Earth-2 Since: Apr, 2019
#250544: Mar 4th 2021 at 12:12:36 PM

I'll also vote to cut all of the Infernal Tales examples.

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#250545: Mar 4th 2021 at 12:13:33 PM

[up][up]I kinda made the suggestion before this whole thing started, it was just buried.

Edited by nwotyzal on Mar 4th 2021 at 12:13:53 PM

WatTambor Since: Oct, 2020
#250546: Mar 4th 2021 at 12:15:35 PM

In that case cut all of the Helltaker fanfic examples.

The image looks good.

Speaking about fanfics, I am currently reading a She-Ra fanfic called Cat-Ra and one of the villains looks really promising, so I hope to be able to contribute to this thread by bringing up a She-Ra fanfic keeper (which is something we still don't have on the Fan Works page).

Unfortunately, the fanfic is over 1477k words and I haven't even reached the middle... sad, so don't expect a proposal any time soon!

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#250547: Mar 4th 2021 at 12:16:40 PM

Cut the Helltaker examples as a whole, actually.

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#250549: Mar 4th 2021 at 12:27:24 PM

@nwotyzal: Puppies do not comfort me. Eternal gorn comforts me.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#250550: Mar 4th 2021 at 12:28:13 PM

[up] That reminds me, I bought the game recently (it was my Christmas gift along with Tsushima), but have yet to get around to playing it.

Edited by MasterN on Mar 4th 2021 at 12:28:37 PM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.

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