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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

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What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#204076: Mar 4th 2020 at 6:35:21 AM

IDK, that iteration of Brainiac sounds as much of an arse as he usually is. The standard of the PR franchise—an alternate continuity of it at that—isn't so insane we have to cut Brainiac doing his usual Brainiac things.

Maybe pack Zedd into his writeup if it's clear Zedd is the senior authority, but I say keep this Brainiac.

Edited by Scraggle on Mar 4th 2020 at 7:40:17 AM

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#204077: Mar 4th 2020 at 6:36:38 AM

[up][up]Can you describe the heinous standard of the comic? Like how bad the villains there to compare to Brainiac?

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Mar 4th 2020 at 5:36:53 PM

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#204079: Mar 4th 2020 at 6:55:46 AM

[up][up]Well to be fair as far as I read the other villains of the comics right now don't really have the same body count as Brainiac. The only one who few gets close or has more is Lord Drakkon, but the two have very different goals in mind. And each probably stand out.

In the case of Zedd here's his stuff. He kidnaps Alpha and uses a fake one to blow up the command center. When he a and Zack are teleporter to the DC earth he is the one who suggested the team up to Brainiac. Opening offering to let Brainiac destroy his world just to be rid of the Rangers. He then uses some monsters from Brainiacs collection to restrict the heroes, with multiple cities being attacked. He also offers Alpha to Brainiac and shrinks Zordon so he can watch Zedd personally lead an army in monsters in in assisting Brainiac destroying the world. When Brainiac is seemingly defeated he grows himself to giant size and beats down the Justice League. Now when I originally read this he seemed to genially respect Brainiac. But no this alliance is just a means to an end on both accounts. So they pretty equal partners

The problem is trying to place this in the current comic timeline. Again from my research this doesn't fit anywhere in it. As the current arc has them fighting Zedd for the first time and these events don't match up with the comic at all. So I don't know if you should treat like we treat Lockdown from that one Transformers game or not.

Edited by Bullman on Mar 4th 2020 at 8:59:38 AM

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#204080: Mar 4th 2020 at 6:57:00 AM

Say, quick question: Does Humans Are the Real Monsters apply to Diovanni, since he was bad even before becoming a vampire?

VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#204081: Mar 4th 2020 at 7:01:01 AM

[up][up]That seems to be like this crossover is non canon, so it's easier for Brainiac to count, just Zedd to the entry and rewrite it to be about both of them and i think it's okay.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#204082: Mar 4th 2020 at 7:13:53 AM

I could do that. But I want to be sure that is fine with everyone first.

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MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#204083: Mar 4th 2020 at 7:14:26 AM

[tup] Ashbury Jr and Mimic.

Does anyone have anything to say about my earlier post?

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#204084: Mar 4th 2020 at 7:16:55 AM

[up] I am not familiar with the work, but the change seems fine to me.

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Mimic45 Since: Feb, 2017
#204085: Mar 4th 2020 at 7:17:48 AM

[tup] Joker

[tup] Hitler

[tup] Ashbury

[tup] Mimic (I like the name of that one)

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#204086: Mar 4th 2020 at 7:22:01 AM

Bull: I am fine with keeping Brainiac.

Yes to Mimic and to Ashbury, btw. That's a unique villain if ever I saw.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#204087: Mar 4th 2020 at 7:23:24 AM

Btw lighty since your familiar with the author

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#204088: Mar 4th 2020 at 7:23:47 AM

So Higashi's acts are all in flashback?

Also, I'll ask again: Humans Are the Real Monsters for Diovanni or nah?

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#204089: Mar 4th 2020 at 7:23:49 AM

Okay Brainac stays, but do I add Zedd to his write upas they are both pretty much equally responsible for the events of the comic.

Edited by Bullman on Mar 4th 2020 at 9:24:37 AM

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#204090: Mar 4th 2020 at 7:25:14 AM

Eviler than Thou would work better. S

Edited by miraculous on Mar 4th 2020 at 7:28:14 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#204091: Mar 4th 2020 at 7:27:27 AM

That works.

Yes to Mimic BTW.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#204092: Mar 4th 2020 at 7:30:45 AM

I can check Rasputin out eventually. Laymon, etc.

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#204093: Mar 4th 2020 at 7:32:06 AM

ACW: Yes, they are.

And my proposed quote?

T-that monster...how many girls did Higashi pass around and abuse before she murdered him?
Detective Ayami Ito upon learning of Eiichi Higashi's physical, verbal, and sexual abuse of Reina, Tokyo Dark

Edited by MasterN on Mar 4th 2020 at 7:36:42 AM

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#204094: Mar 4th 2020 at 7:32:23 AM

Okay I am just going to ask again. Should I add Zedd to the write up? As I don't want to just do that with out approval.

Edited by Bullman on Mar 4th 2020 at 9:33:04 AM

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#204095: Mar 4th 2020 at 7:35:05 AM

Sure to the quote; please add the rewrite to the Drafts.

I'm fine adding Zedd; please post the rewrite and we'll see how it looks.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#204096: Mar 4th 2020 at 7:36:44 AM

Okay here is what the rewrite would look like.

  • Justice League/Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers: Lord Zedd and Brainiac team up to take Angel Grove. After finding himself on the DC earth, Zedd convinces Brainiac to allow him to enlarge some of his collection as a distraction while Brainiac takes the Zords and Coins. The two then leaves them stranded on the DC earth as he and Zedd escape to their dimension to take their home city. The Rangers and the League arrive in time to see them collecting Angel Grove and planning to destroy the Earth. When a group infiltrates Brainiac's ship, Brainiac forces Cyborg to attack his friends. The group eventually find a room full of other captured cities. Taking Alpha 5 prisoner, Brainiac tries to turn him to his side, before trying to kill Superman with Kryptonite. Meanwhile Zedd leads a group of Monsters in helping Brainac and shrinks Zordon, so he can force Zordon to watch as he destroyes the world he swore to protect.

Edited by Bullman on Mar 4th 2020 at 9:40:28 AM

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#204098: Mar 4th 2020 at 7:42:37 AM

That rewrite works. Please add to the Drafts.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#204099: Mar 4th 2020 at 7:44:10 AM

ACW: Done.

Also yes to the quote.

Edited by Bullman on Mar 4th 2020 at 10:04:54 AM

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emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#204100: Mar 4th 2020 at 8:19:07 AM

Question; can a non-CM pull Eviler than Thou on a CM? Because I think I saw examples where it happened.

Edit: Double question actually; if a villain compliments a hero on their fighting skills, would that disqualify them from being a CM?

Edited by emperors on Mar 4th 2020 at 11:23:16 AM

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