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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#203551: Feb 29th 2020 at 12:46:05 PM

Yes to the Witch and Michael, and the Beast...Dormammu I'm less supportive of. Maybe a weak yes.

Let's not get back into the habit of "if X says Y, then I say Y too!" Nobody's opinion in this thread is a be-all and end-all—frankly, it's weird and very annoying to me to be put up on a pedestal, and it's just a toxic, alienating habit all around. It's not hard to read an effortpost and then give your own opinion.

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#203552: Feb 29th 2020 at 12:54:04 PM

[tup] to Ultron, Dormammu, Beast, Michael Paluhik and the Witch. Change to [tdown] on Ardent.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#203553: Feb 29th 2020 at 12:55:47 PM

[tup] to Ultron, Dormammu, Beast, Michael Paluhik and the Witch.

Agreeing with Lighty on this so everyone can read and catch up. Meanwhile does anyone have some to discuss in the Magnificent Bastard forum. Unlike here it doesn't really have much activity as of recently.

[down][down][down] Well I look forward to seeing it

Edited by G-Editor on Feb 28th 2020 at 11:06:10 PM

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#203554: Feb 29th 2020 at 12:56:14 PM

Okay I'm voting no on ultron. Dude sounds all talk rather you know actually doing anything. Everything he does sounds likelike generic kill the heroes and it's pretty underwhelming. Heck Dormmamu at least makes some steps towards his goal. Plus Thanos is an Omnicidal Maniac in this game too so even his plan isn't unique.

Edited by miraculous on Feb 29th 2020 at 12:59:33 PM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#203555: Feb 29th 2020 at 1:01:59 PM

Yeah I am switching to no on Ultron. Dormammu and Thanos sound worse. On that note is there any chance anyone from the second game counts? I know no one in the first one does.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 29th 2020 at 3:03:13 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
username2527 Since: Nov, 2013
#203556: Feb 29th 2020 at 1:04:51 PM

@G, Yeah. I have an effortpost almost ready for Nick from No Good Nick that I am excited about. I am just finishing up my rewatch so I can give a proper review.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#203557: Feb 29th 2020 at 1:08:30 PM

@Bull: Mir and I agreed to look into that before the sequel even came out. The Tinkerer and Lucia von Bardas may be worth posts assuming the escalating standard hasn't screwed them over.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#203559: Feb 29th 2020 at 1:09:07 PM

Actually the third game is a reboot from the first two

[up]What about Michael ?

Edited by miraculous on Feb 29th 2020 at 1:09:48 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#203560: Feb 29th 2020 at 1:11:17 PM

Okay, lovely. Should we get to that and Delilah & Julius this week, Mir?

[down] That we do!

Edited by Scraggle on Feb 29th 2020 at 2:24:26 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#203561: Feb 29th 2020 at 1:13:37 PM

Sounds good. We also have those Chula anthologies right

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#203562: Feb 29th 2020 at 1:40:23 PM

  • raises hand* Question: what are the reasons why MCU!Ultron doesn't count as a CM?

Also, I have numbers for Uncle Rudi: he kills 1, and completely by accident.

Edited by k410ren on Feb 29th 2020 at 4:40:33 AM

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#203563: Feb 29th 2020 at 1:42:34 PM

Oh, right. That's what happens when there are so many EPs so close together. Yes to Michael.

MCU!Ultron cared about Wanda.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#203564: Feb 29th 2020 at 1:42:38 PM

[up][up] Multiple redeeming qualities and a really good excuse from my memory of the film.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 29th 2020 at 3:45:52 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#203566: Feb 29th 2020 at 1:53:46 PM

Mir, you mena the Cthulhu anthology we're doing? I'm ready for that this week.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#203567: Feb 29th 2020 at 1:56:07 PM

Oh I actually found a few more other then that one. I'll pm you as me and Scraggs have quite a few online.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#203568: Feb 29th 2020 at 2:00:09 PM

I just gave Piecing Together the Ashes: Reconstructing the Old World Order a trope page, so if the Beast is approved we can put him on its YMMV page.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#203569: Feb 29th 2020 at 2:04:37 PM

So tomorrow morning I'll request cutting Allen, Cy, Replicator, and Preston? I don't think anyone else (including Floyd and Ramos) got enough votes to cut.

captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#203570: Feb 29th 2020 at 2:05:26 PM

[tup] Beast, Michael Paluhik and the Witch.

Worry not, Dormammu is a new continuity, so Tinkerer and Lucia Von Bardas would be fine... Though I am considering Mephisto for my next EP. That'll be a while on though, there's a lot for people to catch up on.

Trans rights are human rights. If you don't think that, please leave.
BrianKT Since: Jan, 2020
#203571: Feb 29th 2020 at 2:50:45 PM

Hasn't anyone already discussed Dr. Robotnik in Sonic the Hedgehog (2020)?

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#203573: Feb 29th 2020 at 2:52:22 PM

[up][up] Yep. And it was decided that he didn't count.

[up][nja]

Edited by Bullman on Feb 29th 2020 at 4:52:46 AM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#203574: Feb 29th 2020 at 2:52:33 PM

Yesterday. He's not even in the ball-parks bleachers to this trope.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
WaryHoglet Since: Feb, 2016
#203575: Feb 29th 2020 at 2:58:05 PM

Yeah Eggman from the Sonic movie is a hard no - even if he does pass the heinous factor, which is debatable, he's almost entirely Played for Laughs and not taken remotely seriously

Edited by WaryHoglet on Feb 29th 2020 at 3:05:16 AM


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