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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

KingofNightmares Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#203351: Feb 28th 2020 at 9:51:21 AM

Pokémon needs a better header, as the current one is just generic. I've been trying to think of ideas myself, but for some reason, I'm never satisfied with what I come up with.

"It was the best of times, it was the BLURST of times?"
PureGrainAlkaSeltzer The Lord Of Walruses from 1200 Pennsylvania Ave Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
The Lord Of Walruses
#203352: Feb 28th 2020 at 9:53:29 AM

[tdown] to Melanie and CLU

[tup] to Shadowbeast

Edited by PureGrainAlkaSeltzer on Feb 28th 2020 at 11:54:14 AM

I have no idea what I am doing
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#203353: Feb 28th 2020 at 9:58:09 AM

Btw I’ll rewrite Da Ji later

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#203354: Feb 28th 2020 at 10:02:40 AM

Btw I've been meaning to ask. Could Da Ji count in the original Fengshen Yanyi ?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#203355: Feb 28th 2020 at 10:03:55 AM

No, just barely. She’s genuinely horrified and grieves when presented with the pelts of foxes.

King Zhou May depending how his corruption is played

Edited by Lightysnake on Feb 28th 2020 at 10:12:18 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#203356: Feb 28th 2020 at 10:19:00 AM

Ah alright. So she cares about her own kind.

Huh well that'll be interesting at least.

Also btw I recently got the new InCryptid book. If anyone counts. I'll ep them after the given time. Everyone fine with that.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#203357: Feb 28th 2020 at 10:21:51 AM

[tdown] to Melanie

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
WaryHoglet Since: Feb, 2016
#203358: Feb 28th 2020 at 10:40:40 AM

tbh I could be wrong but the entire Melanie EP felt like a case of "I'm going to propose this character even though she doesn't fit because I dislike her", which is obviously something that shouldn't pass haha

Also you absolutely can nominate fictionalized versions of real people - Amon Goeth from Schindler's List is one of our biggest CM's in all of film

Edited by WaryHoglet on Feb 28th 2020 at 10:49:34 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#203359: Feb 28th 2020 at 10:44:53 AM

Well, the important part is we vetted it and said no. Exactly how a cleanup needs to work

WaryHoglet Since: Feb, 2016
#203360: Feb 28th 2020 at 10:45:47 AM

[up] Yeah that's a fair point that the process is good at weeding out bad submissions like that

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#203361: Feb 28th 2020 at 11:49:41 AM

[tdown] to Melanie

But, no offense but That's....kind of rude Wary

Things are really about to get Fun around here
WaryHoglet Since: Feb, 2016
#203362: Feb 28th 2020 at 11:53:26 AM

[up] It was just my opinion on what the EP sounded like, wasn't intended as an insult but sorry if it came off that way

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#203363: Feb 28th 2020 at 11:59:31 AM

I don't really see it as rude myself. More a valid point. CM =/= I hate this character, therefore I think they count.

But it's over now so we should move on from that.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#203364: Feb 28th 2020 at 12:01:19 PM

Give me an hour or two. I'll check to see if I could find someone to ep to get us off this topic.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#203365: Feb 28th 2020 at 12:07:17 PM

So, it's been two weeks since this character was defeated, so...

What's the work?

Dr. Stone is a new shonen manga known for its...creative approach. One day, the world is petrified by an unknown event. People are turned to stone and thousands of years pass. Then some people awaken, with a combo of nitric acid being a revival formula. One of the people to awaken is Senku, a young man and a genius scientist who decides to recreate civilization, reviving who he can...meeting a village of survivors and fighting with darker forces who have their own visions in the stone world, creating the Kingdom of Science while recreating things from the past. From the Petrification Kingdom arc, we have the Arc Villain Minister Ibara.

Who is Ibara?

A twisted, perverted man, Ibara is ostensibly the mouthpiece of the Head of the kingdom and a descendant of people who were in space when the petrification struck the earth. Ibara is a tyrant who oppresses the people of the island...in truth, Ibara came into possession of a strange petrification weapon called Medusa and uses it to turn anyone who objects to him to stone...besides that, though? Ibara turned the goodhearted leader of the kingdom to stone and to ensure he had no challenges, attempted to murder the leader's son Soyuz...then an infant. Soyuz was saved and spirited away by his mother who Ibara tried to kill as well, growing up elsewhere. Twenty years pass....

Ibara lives a hedonistic life, being the one to communicate the leader's will, but in practice uses it to lord over everyone. The most horrible thing he does? Ibara keeps a harem for the master...in truth his own, with no care if the women are willing, being seen taking a woman from her husband on their wedding day, laughing how it doesn't matter to him if they're newlyweds. Anyone who resists? Is petrified to 'eternal sleep' by Medusa. One of the heroes, Ginro, sneaks into the harem disguised as a woman and Ibara tried to rape him, saying he prefers a fight...Ginro gets free, but sees the petrified form of Soyuz's father, prompting Ibara to impale him. Ginro is saved by Kohaku, one of the heroines, and the two are petrified by Ibara.

Senku and team sneak aboard the island to get Medusa and steadily put together what's occurred. Ibara begins to get more paranoid, petrifying their allies and eventually deciding to simply petrify the island after evacuating his subjects (since who would he rule over)...ordering his right-hand woman Kirisame to get to the center of the island and use Medusa to its fullest, Kirisame reasonably asks what happens to her. Ibara's response? "Hell if that's my problem" in a nutshell. When Kirisame learns what he's truly done to the master, Ibara petrifies her and then unleashes Medusa, freezing most of the heroes. Finding Soyuz, he tries to shatter him and those with him before Senku arrives for a showdown.

In a fight of wits and science, Ibara is defeated when Senku lures him into a trap and turns Medusa upon him...turning Ibara to stone and freeing the kingdom from his tyranny for good.

Heinousness?

Dr. Stone is pretty lighthearted, even with some nasty baddies so far. There's Hyoga and Tsukasa, who form a kingdom of ruling by strength with Hyoga being a ruthless traitor and attempted murderer. Tsukasa is fine purging the stone world of all he deems useless. Neither count as Tsukasa has a ton of mitigating qualities and Hyoga, upon being freed from prison, fights for the heroes against Ibara and has some minor redeeming features.

Ibara is just a petty tyrant but he's the only one who's tried to killed a baby, and is as much a serial rapist as it can be said in a mainstream shonen, in addition to petrifying individuals with no intent of reviving them on large scales. No other villain has those crimes. Pass.

Mitigating Qualities?

Nope. He's just a despicable old tyrant and pervert who wants to rule over a kingdom and harem for the rest of his life. He just keeps having women dragged for the harem and states he gets to 'sample' them first...the bit with Ginro is played...mmm...uncomfortably for a bit of comedy (as Ginro is a guy and Ibara doesn't know) but the abduction scene of another woman and Ibara's proclivities are not, so I'm fine allowing it.

Conclusion?

I'd say he passes.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#203366: Feb 28th 2020 at 12:09:55 PM

[tup]Ibara

I've heard of this dude on shounen discussions and how despicable he is. Was curious on him

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#203367: Feb 28th 2020 at 12:10:06 PM

[tup]Minister Ibara.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
KingofNightmares Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#203368: Feb 28th 2020 at 12:10:26 PM

II said it before, but no one responded. I'm trying to think of a header for Pokémon, but I can't think of one that satisfies me.

And [tup] to Ibara

"It was the best of times, it was the BLURST of times?"
Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#203371: Feb 28th 2020 at 12:29:50 PM

[tup] Ibara. I looked at the page...what's the "creative" approach?

Edited by ACW on Feb 28th 2020 at 3:32:32 PM

Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#203373: Feb 28th 2020 at 12:36:59 PM

[tup]Ibara.

Why so serious?
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

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