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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#203201: Feb 27th 2020 at 7:49:42 AM

[tup]Ragyo

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#203202: Feb 27th 2020 at 7:58:06 AM

[tup] Raygo... Still a keeper and always will be.

Critica7 Self-Declared King of Everything from Smallville Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Self-Declared King of Everything
#203203: Feb 27th 2020 at 8:09:34 AM
SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#203205: Feb 27th 2020 at 8:38:37 AM

[tup]Ragyo.

Why so serious?
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#203207: Feb 27th 2020 at 8:46:55 AM

[tup] Ragyo. Still need to get into this show (hell, Satsuki’s English VA told me in person to watch it 5 years ago).

It's Spooky Month!
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#203209: Feb 27th 2020 at 8:51:19 AM

Jackie, Jackie, Jackie!... listen to her fam.

WaryHoglet Since: Feb, 2016
#203210: Feb 27th 2020 at 9:28:23 AM

[tdown] on Clu for getting a pretty major Alas, Poor Villain scene which are generally considered disqualifying for CM

randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#203211: Feb 27th 2020 at 9:39:35 AM

@Lighty: I think that was a response to SkyCat's hyperbolic statement.

Edited by randomtroper89 on Feb 27th 2020 at 11:40:00 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#203212: Feb 27th 2020 at 9:40:51 AM

It doesn’t require a “but isn’t this person abusive too?” It wasn’t intended to invite a conversation on worst anime parent. It’s not relevant to us

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#203213: Feb 27th 2020 at 9:56:46 AM

Found this one the new Invisible Man film's YMMV page:

  • Complete Monster: Adrian Griffin, the titular Invisible Man, is easily the most despicable version of the character put to film. He physically and psychologically dominated Cecilia, controlling what she wore, who she spoke to, and even what she thought, attacking her whenever she seemingly stepped out of line. After Cecilia managed to escape him, Adrian faked his own death and used his revolutionary optics technology to stalk, gaslight and harass Cecilia, stooping to assault and murder in order to paint Cecilia as insane. If that wasn't bad enough, he impregnated Cecilia without her knowledge, making him, on top of everything else, a rapist. Even after Cecilia proved that there was an invisible killer stalking her, Adrian set up his own brother into taking the fall, just to manipulate Cecilia further. A cruel, controlling, and murderous psychopath, this Invisible Man truly deserves the title of "monster".

Can someone delete it.

Edited by MGD107 on Feb 27th 2020 at 9:58:08 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#203214: Feb 27th 2020 at 9:58:16 AM

Pretty sure this film just came out....

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
WaryHoglet Since: Feb, 2016
#203215: Feb 27th 2020 at 10:00:27 AM

[up][up] If it's just on the movie's YMMV section you can delete it yourself

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#203216: Feb 27th 2020 at 10:04:15 AM

[up] I can't edit pages, hence why I brought it here.

Awesomekid42 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
#203217: Feb 27th 2020 at 10:05:34 AM

Seconding 43's opinion jackie. You should watch it.

And yeah, easy [tup] to Ragyo.

captainmarkle Limited Patients from Behind you Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#203218: Feb 27th 2020 at 10:14:24 AM

[tup] Raygo

Switch to [tdown] on CLU based on Alas, Poor Villain.

Trans rights are human rights. If you don't think that, please leave.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#203219: Feb 27th 2020 at 10:14:34 AM

Come on guys, it's not like I was interrupting anything.

Anyway, I cut that entry. That movie's not even out in the US yet.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#203220: Feb 27th 2020 at 10:15:54 AM

I don't think ACW was distracting from a 'high time' on voting or anything but I don't think Lighty meant to call you out or anything either, I think he was just hoping to curb the topic before it became a tangent.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#203222: Feb 27th 2020 at 10:24:16 AM

Yeah, just don’t want it to devolve into “what about x” is all

SkyCat32 (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#203223: Feb 27th 2020 at 10:31:29 AM

Yeah, I feel like side conversations are not exactly helpful to the thread, which is why I have taken to PM'ing people about side stuff. Nothing personal to anyone.

Also, since The Hunt is being released in March (thanks for letting me know, Ducky), I have reserved it. Again. I was extremely bummed when its release was cancelled the first time around. I will not be the least bit happy if someone discusses the film before I get a chance to see it. Please don't start the discussion without me.

I apologize in advance if I come off as intense, but I have every reason to worry about someone else who doesn't know (or doesn't care) that I reserved this film breaking the two week rule, especially given the controversy surrounding the premise.

[down] I'm offline that day, but it depends what the others say. Personally, I don't know.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 27th 2020 at 1:48:17 PM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#203224: Feb 27th 2020 at 10:38:47 AM

So I'll ask again tomorrow to make sure everyone sees it, but everyone okay with me posting my final Criminal Minds thoughts Saturday morning?

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#203225: Feb 27th 2020 at 10:40:18 AM

Yes. Thank God we Didn't do it yetserday considering blight and xersoic came up then.

Also could we please make a final decision on xerosic.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

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